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John, sure, suppose a particular act someone calls out is not actually racist. Would it really be so bad for me to just not argue with them this one time?
I am trying to understand, I am listening, I am supporting but none of that will solve the problem.…For some or all of the men in the industry to be sympathetic or accept
that they are privileged is nice and all but all it does is make them
look like nice guys.
It is about framing the problem properly. You cannot look for solutions before you understand the problem properly.
All your examples about finding practical solutions are about individual behavior. Understanding and acknowledging privileges is important because it shows you understand the problem it is not only about individual [sexist/racist/…] behavior, but structural, hence structural solutions are also needed.
For the millionth and final time 'privileges' ≠ privilege.
Sorry. I pluralized "privilege" with various types of privilege in mind (white, male, educated, …). Don't know if that really makes sense, english is not my usual language.
We are answering all of your questions, you're just disagreeing with the answers.
Are women being attacked at type conferences? Is it by type related men?
The assumption that we are arguing about something in the past also
completely misses the point. This is very much present-day America.
"okay, ladies, it's time for the men to talk about type."
OK, Nick. I will shut up until I hear an actual attempt at strategy to solve the problem
Yes, good. The trick, for all of us, is to stay shut up afterwards as well. Everyone should work on their grasp of the concept of privilege on their own time. The people who want to discuss solutions will find channels where they aren't constantly sidetracked by men "playing devil's advocate", describing their own struggles, and trying to debate rudimentary principles. This thread never got past the basics and now it's dead.
...thinking back on just this thread, I can see my own biases at work. The posts that really stand out in my memory are the ones from Tom and Ray (ha! Car Talk!) rather than, say, Nina and Elizabeth...
Like Yves, Chris Lewis, and absolutely me too, we need to fight our hideously instinctive preference to have a man (Jon Stewart, if at all possible) validate the things marginalized people are saying perfectly well on their own. Clearly there was not enough listening to women in this thread ostensibly about listening to women. Better luck next time!
The reasons why underrepresented groups and women want more diversity in the type community is pretty simple: they want a chance to participate without being undermined and disrespected.
I know this discussion is probably uncomfortable for many. At times it can be overwhelming figuring out what to fix first.
What are some things you can do to make underrepresented groups and women feel welcome online and in real life? Here’s a few suggestions:
1. Check your ego.I know this is easier said than done because we are a passionate bunch with so much to say, but just do it.
2. Check your privilege.
3. Don’t be offensive to underrepresented groups and women.
4. If you said something sexist, racist, offensive or acted like a jerk, apologize and actually change your behavior for the better so it doesn't happen again.
5. Be a good ally. Don’t upstage the very people you are supporting.
6. Help, not Hinder
If you have worked hard and navigated through this industry ethically and have given back, awesome.
If you are one of those people who hasn’t gotten their success that way, or are a person of privilege, now’s your opportunity to be better and contribute to the community.
In order to bring in more awesome people, we have to be welcoming to new voices and open to new points of view.
The intent was to illustrate that there are times when it's within your rights, but not socially okay to ask questions.
Glad you're explicitly saying that. Some people would take what you wrote as the general rule, not as the exception.
But this oversensitivity problem isn't the main thing… what i would ask is this: after many decades of feminism, aren't there books(?) to teach women how to best react to "bullies" and situations like the ones described by Dyanne Sawyer? How to outsmart them and put them in their place? Frankly, I'm surprised the main advice here is just "Accept there is a problem" and "Be on our side" – most of us here accept there is a problem already (although like I said, some people are more sensitive than others, and some problems are imaginary). Anyway, since obviously a "bully" won't kindly take your advice to be nice, inclusive, to not be offensive and to even apologize (come on…), how do you react best to change such people for the better or at least change situations? Are there helpful books like "Bullies" by Ben Shapiro?
What’s missing here
in most suggestions for change, is SMARTness.
For instance, what to
do with the suggestion “Check your ego”? I guess most contributors here have a bigger
than average ego. Should they not speak their mind? Should we be less welcoming
to them, in order to be more welcoming to new voices and new points of view?
What about big female egos?
For those who feel I
acted like a jerk when writing the above lines, I do apologize.
I am a human being. Please do not assume that my skin color, my gender, my
age, my nationality, my weight, what I do in my bedroom, whether I have
children or not, whether I have a disability or not—is relevant for
For those who feel I acted like a jerk when writing the above lines, I
I hope this resonates with the fathers out there
It’s not that hard to understand: as Indra’s avatar says “don’t be a dick”. We all know what that means.