How to design Serbian Cyrillic PART 2 — True Italics

Igor Petrovic
Igor Petrovic Posts: 369
I've just published the "Serbian Cyrillic PART 2" article on my blog. The first one was about upright, and this second one is about true italics:

https://nostalgicdolphin.com/blog-post-3/

Italics proved to be harder to describe, taking a month to assemble this instructional study. The thing is that italics are still not strictly established in every aspect, so I had to research historical sources, the official orthography, other Slavic-Cyrillic, modern studies of Serbian handwriting, and personal opinions of type designers and common people.

In addition to being two blog posts, I am also considering putting these two articles into one downloadable PDF which would cost a few bucks. For those who haven't seen the first part, here is the link for it:

https://nostalgicdolphin.com/blog-post-1/


Comments

  • Thank you Igor, very good.
  • Thanks Andreas, I appreciate it!
  • Thanks, Igor. It was been a very useful resource. By the way, so to speak, Serbian б is like a Greek delta? 
  • John Hudson
    John Hudson Posts: 3,814
    so to speak, Serbian б is like a Greek delta? 
    In writing, the ductus is similar

    but in Cyrillic the top is always quite horizontal, while in Greek it may also angle downwards



  • John Savard
    John Savard Posts: 1,260
    It's interesting that some of the Serbian Cyrillic italic forms are used in Russian handwriting, even if not in Russian italics. And, yes, this means that they may be found in the italics of some Russian typefaces too.
  • @John Hudson
    I saw that, so I compared it to a delta.
  • Dsche
    Dsche Posts: 26
    I am very grateful for this series of articles; I hope the knowledge gained has helped me make my typefaces slightly better suited for Serbian Cyrillic.
    There is one question that keeps bothering me: are there established approaches to constructing the letter *љ* when the letter *л* has the historical, triangular form derived from the Greek lambda?
    Let me illustrate with an example: here is the letter from the Lazursky typeface (the Serbian characters were likely added by Vladimir Yefimov):

    Here is Yefimov’s Cyrillic version of the Kis typeface:

    And finally, here is how I am attempting to design this letter in my current work:

    I am not happy with it. While I can manage to balance the letter in isolation, when it appears in the middle of a word during typesetting, it inevitably creates a gaping hole in the upper-right area.

    Then again, perhaps I’m simply not in the habit of using that kind of ligature at all, and that’s why I stumble at that point.
  • John Savard
    John Savard Posts: 1,260
    The capital AE ligature in English achieves compactness by making the right downstroke of the A vertical rather than inclined; clearly, that's an option for a Cyrillic L based on the Greek lambda as well in order to have less of "a gaping hole in the upper-right area".
    Of course it would be nice to have historical precedent to draw upon, and I hope someone will be able to find some for you.
  • John Hudson
    John Hudson Posts: 3,814
    edited September 29
    I think the shape of your л is introducing a number of problems. The triangular part is small and tight, which makes it difficult to balance with the bowl in the Balkan љ. The lambda shape works best as in Lazurksy and in Bulgarian types, with a pointed apex, allowing the triangular form to fill the x-height.
    It’s difficult to make other suggestions without seeing more of the design.