Arrowwood

Christian Thalmann

I believe non-descending /J/, simple /Q/, symmetrical /U/, and sigmoid /R/ work best.  (Or make contrasted /U/ wider?)

Craig Eliason

Defaults are definitely preferable thought the alt /U/ is kind of intriguing. I'd toss out the others.

Ori Ben-Dor

Bebas vs my font:



I don't think they're particularly look alike—not more than any two grotesques about this narrow and heavy, anyhow—or give a similar feeling.

I'm satisfied with the oval-on-the-outside-straight-on-the-inside motif, I'm not going to drop it.

Ori Ben-Dor

Christian Thalmann said:

I believe non-descending /J/, simple /Q/, symmetrical /U/, and sigmoid /R/ work best.

Yeah, that's why they're the default ones

Christian Thalmann said:

(Or make contrasted /U/ wider?)

You mean the inner white space or the thin, right stroke?

Edit:

Something like this?

Craig Eliason said:

Defaults are definitely preferable thought the alt /U/ is kind of intriguing. I'd toss out the others.

I'm not sure about J, R & U, but I kind of like alternative Q, I think I can imagine it being used in some contexts.

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Thanks for this feedback!

Kent Lew

I like the distinctive tail of the alternate Q, but not the distracting enclosed circle in the counter. Can the one be divorced from the other and still work for you?

Ori Ben-Dor

@Kent Lew



What do you think?
To me it doesn't look very balanced.



This one looks more balanced, but I still don't see why anyone would prefer this to the straight tail.

Kent Lew

I agree the second is more balanced. Personally, I like this better, as it echoes this R, as well as the terminations S, C, et al.

I would be inclined to pair the straight tail Q with the straight leg R.

But that’s just me. Both approaches are fine, and it’s your to decide in the end.

Ori Ben-Dor

Pairing straight-tail Q with sigmoid-leg R works for me, but I get your point. It's not like I'm going to release it anytime soon, but if I ever do, I'll revisit this issue.

Ori Ben-Dor

Craig Eliason

Looking good! My eye wants the top of the closed counter of /A to be nudged a little rightward. Top arms of /E and /F and bottom arm of /E could maybe get a touch darker?

Ori Ben-Dor

Craig Eliason said:

Looking good! My eye wants the top of the closed counter of /A to be nudged a little rightward.

But then the thin (tapering) stroke of /A/ looks heavier than that of /V/. I think that bothers me. Does it bother you?

This comment made me question whether /AMVW/ sat upright. I played with them and possibly changed them a tiny bit (kind of lost track...). I'm mostly not sure about /M/. How does it feel to you?



1st line: /A/ with counter nudged a littler rightward. After the period: /AMVW/ (old /A/)
2nd: /AMVW/ in a more natural context
3rd: /EFLZ/ with darker top and bottom arms
4th: alternative /M/, with vertical left- and rightmost outlines
5th: alternative /2/, /69/ with larger counters (10 minutes ago I was sure these larger counters are better, not I'm not sure anymore... Maybe /6/ benefits from this larger counter, but /9/ doesn't?)

Jacob Casal

Hmm, for the /1, have you tried having it’s curve taper lower, perhaps even to where /2 or /3 terminate. At least to me it feels too abrupt next to the other characters.

Ori Ben-Dor

Ori Ben-Dor

I think I'll settle for something between top (=original) and middle:

Christian Thalmann

Have you tried out a simple sloped top for /one/?

Ori Ben-Dor

Christian Thalmann said:

Have you tried out a simple sloped top for /one/?

Do you mean a straight segment instead of the curved one? I haven’t. What I have considered is a beak-like form (like Helvetica’s), but I like the current form, I think it’s cool and adds character. Does it bother you?

Thomas Phinney

It's interesting. Probably needs to overshoot the flat top (more if it is doing so already).

Christian Thalmann

I'm not too fond of it, especially given the lack of any comparable structure anywhere else in the font. But don't let that stop you!

Jasper de Waard

FWIW, I like the 1 as is.

Ori Ben-Dor

It already is overshooting, but maybe not enough. I will print some samples at smaller sizes to decide on the exact amount. Thanks.

Jacob Casal

I do like the second revision (between original and middle) more than the original and the first revisions, but at the same time wonder how to refine it more. Captain it as you feel best serves it. However, one more experiment is—and this is probably a stretch, maybe a step backward—now that there’s some length to the taper you could try a curve as seen in the bowl of /9.

Claudio Piccinini

Ori Ben-Dor said:

Some alternatives:



From top to bottom:

(default)
J
Q
R
U
J+Q+U

I'm all for the /J and /U from the last line. I’d leave the /Q clean, though. Very lovely, with these slight alterations (/J and /U) it constitutes a fresher interpretation of the models.

Ori Ben-Dor

@Jacob Casal
I don't understand what you mean by "a curve as seen in the bowl of /9." Could you please explain?

Jacob Casal

Sure, I was referring to a shorter, flatter taper that then becomes quickly vertical for /1, similar to the curve I highlighted with a red box on the /9. Now that I think about it more though, I don’t think that would be an improvement as it doesn’t work too well, but here is a rough idea of what I meant:

A simpler way to have said it would be to experiment with different curves for the taper.