One story a for æ

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Ofir Shavit
Ofir Shavit Posts: 397
in Type Design Technique & Theory

Hi
I'm working on a font with one story 'a', and the 'æ' resembles too much to the 'œ'.

Any recommendations?
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  • Alexis Luengas
    Alexis Luengas Posts: 36
    You could (a) make /a/ more asymmetrical/cursive, (b) draw the stem or add a small serif at the top of /a/, and/or (c) flatten the left side of /e/s bowl so that /e/ appears to join /a/ and not the other (current) way around.
  • Ofir Shavit
    Ofir Shavit Posts: 397

    Well I added the stem and flattened the e's bowl, looks like it does the work
    Thanks Alexis!
  • Craig Eliason
    Craig Eliason Posts: 1,469
    The other left side...
  • Nick Shinn
    Nick Shinn Posts: 2,282
    You should use a two-story “a”. That is preferred in Scandinavia. See Futura, etc.
  • Ofir Shavit
    Ofir Shavit Posts: 397
    edited September 2014
    What other left side Craig??

    Is it ok to use the two-story 'a' only to the 'æ' while the 'a' stays one-story?
  • Craig Eliason
    Craig Eliason Posts: 1,469
    Never mind. I thought you had added that flat part on the right of the /e/ in response to Alexis's suggestion to "flatten the left side of /e/'s bowl," but I see that that was already there in the first place. Disregard.
  • Ofir Shavit
    Ofir Shavit Posts: 397
    Got you, thanks :)
  • Ofir Shavit
    Ofir Shavit Posts: 397

    Your humble what? what? what? opinion sounds convincing Frode, thanks!
  • Kent Lew
    Kent Lew Posts: 1,000
    It is perfectly acceptable to have a one-story a, and a two-story æ.
    Frode — Do you feel the same is true in an italic design? I’ve heard mixed responses to this before.
  • Chris Lozos
    Chris Lozos Posts: 1,460
    Which is better, having a style match or having clear legibility or distinction? I prefer 2 story a to style match.
  • Jens Kutilek
    Jens Kutilek Posts: 377
    Under which circumstances would æ and œ need to be differentiated? They are not both used in the same language, or are they?
  • Nick Shinn
    Nick Shinn Posts: 2,282
    edited September 2014
    There is never dissonance between /a and /æ, because they are always a saccadic jump apart. They are never read concurrently—when one is viewed sharply in the fovea, the other is indistinguishable, elsewhere.
  • Chris Lozos
    Chris Lozos Posts: 1,460
    Great test words, Frode!
  • Nick Shinn
    Nick Shinn Posts: 2,282
    I suspected as much, Frode! Are those common words?
  • Craig Eliason
    Craig Eliason Posts: 1,469
    edited September 2014
    Under which circumstances would æ and œ need to be differentiated? They are not both used in the same language, or are they?
    Used in the same word, if archaic English orthography is allowed!
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    But posted mostly in jest: the more important question is, are there languages in which there are two words that differ only in that character. I don't know of any.
  • Nick Shinn
    Nick Shinn Posts: 2,282
    edited September 2014
    Note that A : Æ and a : æ are differently treated in the same typeface—Futura.

    **

    I recently decided to construct Æ as per Futura—so that I can include it in the same kern class as A!
  • John Hudson
    John Hudson Posts: 3,434
    They are not both used in the same language, or are they?
    They can be used together in Latin, although ae/oe is now preferred to æ/œ by classicists. Not sure about mediaevalists. Roman Catholic liturgical publishers still seem to favour æ/œ.
  • Ofir Shavit
    Ofir Shavit Posts: 397
    How about that?

    Since not restricted to the one story a, I tried flipping the e for the ae
  • Nick Shinn
    Nick Shinn Posts: 2,282
    Typophile discussion. http://typophile.com/node/68510
  • Michael Vokits
    Michael Vokits Posts: 214
    @Ofir:
    Since not restricted to the one story a, I tried flipping the e for the ae
    I do that in italics all the time, but the /schwa shape for the /a really throws me in romans. Still, it's probably the best choice in the context of your font (although I think I prefer the glyph with the vertical bar in the middle). Anyway, it's easy to add and use alternates.

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