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Roijer

peggo (Pedro González)peggo (Pedro González) Posts: 60
edited April 2016 in Type Design Critiques
"Roijer" started as a handmade lettering logotype designed for "Peter Röijer" vintage perfume brand. Started now as a titling serif typeface. The main idea is create unconventional uppercase groups as similar as close to the personalized oldstyle lettering design do.

As a first step, I started with uppercase only, doing two models on each glyph, in letter one go into  UC-box and other into the lc-box, as you can see the 1st couple 'R' below here.




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  • Miles NewlynMiles Newlyn Posts: 230
    Use the last R for the initial also, change the mid bar of the E to something simpler and it's a good 'un.
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    James Todd said:
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    I'm already explain to Stephen Coles why I keep this nickname according to the rules 
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  • peggo (Pedro González)peggo (Pedro González) Posts: 60
    Miles Newlyn said:
    Use the last R for the initial also, change the mid bar of the E to something simpler and it's a good 'un.
    btw, the traditional 'E' it will be into uppercase box and the unconventional alternative will be into the lowercase box 'e'
  • Craig EliasonCraig Eliason Posts: 1,366
    Why are you showing for critique the logotype instead of the typeface itself?
  • peggo (Pedro González)peggo (Pedro González) Posts: 60
    edited April 2016
    Craig Eliason said:
    Why are you showing for critique the logotype instead of the typeface itself?
    Hi Craig Eliason, I started to show the process in a chronological way and the first step was a logotype that become a complete typeface that properly works into logotype design.
  • peggo (Pedro González)peggo (Pedro González) Posts: 60
    Add new alternative of "L" version into the 'l' box
  • peggo (Pedro González)peggo (Pedro González) Posts: 60
    Changes on alternative version of 'T'

  • PabloImpallariPabloImpallari Posts: 773
    edited April 2016
    Hi Pedro: the tail in the /J seems light compared to other serifs, I think it should be bolder. The same applies for the tails in the alternate /E /C /Y. And maybe the standard /S

    The lower lobe of boths /B have different contrast angle to all other rounds /P /R etc...

  • Dave CrosslandDave Crossland Posts: 1,347
    I think the swash Y needs reworking, the way the left stem joins the right stem is not working well for me
  • Craig EliasonCraig Eliason Posts: 1,366
    Dave Crossland said:
    I think the swash Y needs reworking, the way the left stem joins the right stem is not working well for me
    Maybe experimenting with the structure in Delphin's /y/ might be worth trying. 
  • peggo (Pedro González)peggo (Pedro González) Posts: 60
    edited April 2016
    PabloImpallari said:
    Hi Pedro: the tail in the /J seems light compared to other serifs, I think it should be bolder. The same applies for the tails in the alternate /E /C /Y. And maybe the standard /S

    The lower lobe of boths /B have different contrast angle to all other rounds /P /R etc...

    I tried and compared previous with this new changes (not an excuse but may be weight issues occur because I'm designing  this as display font but you're right about weight details.... I need to keep in mind that this is a logo font and need to be visible even at very small sizes). applied same correction to 'ß (eszett)' ...Thank you in advance Pablo.



    Dave Crossland said:
    I think the swash Y needs reworking, the way the left stem joins the right stem is not working well for me
    Oh thank you Dave.. I think soft transition works better now.


    Craig Eliason good idea... I sketch something near to that model... and see that's looks interesting I think the 2nd 'y' one look more legible to me than 3rd 'y' (at least to our americas culture).

    And by the way, I add a new alternative for 'J'


    Thank all you guys for your eyes on this.
  • peggo (Pedro González)peggo (Pedro González) Posts: 60
    Adding now alternate 'I' into the lowercase box following the main idea on alt 'J' but with a smaller head and a more flat baseline.


  • Christian ThalmannChristian Thalmann Posts: 1,896
    I like those alts with semidetached tildes. The «wrinkled noses» of /E etc don't quite do it for me, but I guess you're bound by the logo there.

    The /ẞ looks quite swashy for a base letter. I'd trim away the fiddly bits for the base version and maybe semi-detach the top for the swash version.

  • peggo (Pedro González)peggo (Pedro González) Posts: 60
    edited May 2016
    Christian Thalmann said:
    I like those alts with semidetached tildes. The «wrinkled noses» of /E etc don't quite do it for me, but I guess you're bound by the logo there.

    The /ẞ looks quite swashy for a base letter. I'd trim away the fiddly bits for the base version and maybe semi-detach the top for the swash version.

    Hi Christian, did you mean 'Z' on the second part of your comment?
  • Christian ThalmannChristian Thalmann Posts: 1,896
    Hm?  I was talking about /ẞ, not /Z. But upon closer inspection, the swashy /Z is really a bit over the top for my taste as well.
  • Christian ThalmannChristian Thalmann Posts: 1,896
    Put a secõd tilde õ top?
  • peggo (Pedro González)peggo (Pedro González) Posts: 60
    edited May 2016
    Christian Thalmann said:
    Hm?  I was talking about /ẞ, not /Z. But upon closer inspection, the swashy /Z is really a bit over the top for my taste as well.


     Agree on that.. the middle link looks better, and make a traditional 'Z' and make accessible this alt via Stylistic Set.



    Frode Bo Helland said:
    What happens if you need an Ĩ?
    I think a better option could be if a regular 'I' with that tilde above it appear instead of that alternate one.


  • peggo (Pedro González)peggo (Pedro González) Posts: 60
    Adding now first numeral glyphs

  • Hrant Հրանդ Փափազեան PapazianHrant Հրանդ Փափազեան Papazian Posts: 2,044
    This is both juicy and classy. Rare combination – kudos!
  • peggo (Pedro González)peggo (Pedro González) Posts: 60
    Hrant H. Papazian said:
    This is both juicy and classy. Rare combination – kudos!
    Thank you Hrant.. :smile: ... I hope to back on this project soon, mean while I'll leave it in a oak barrel for a little time, cuz I'll be bussy on distribution of my most recent launched font "LeBrush".
  • Hrant Հրանդ Փափազեան PapazianHrant Հրանդ Փափազեան Papazian Posts: 2,044
    Congrats.
    Love the slashed OS zero!  :-)
  • Rafael "rafaeiro" FerreiraRafael "rafaeiro" Ferreira Posts: 75
    I really liked your project, congratulations.
  • Niche.Niche. Posts: 86
    Congrats, have you tried playing with the tail of R to drop it passed the baseline ? I know its unconventional, but the tail just looks squashed, could be a cool alt, just to make some logotypes a little unconfirmed and more expressive ... ? 
  • Niche.Niche. Posts: 86
    Like the " Benguiat " look in some of the forms, but it would be cool to see  that tail brought out or something on that R, like a serif gothic look. 
  • peggo (Pedro González)peggo (Pedro González) Posts: 60
    Hrant H. Papazian said:
    Congrats.
    Love the slashed OS zero!  :-)
    Thank you Hrant... I used to be a fan of that kind of solution for slashed zero (with an inverted slash), in order to avoid confusions between Ø (norgwenian oslash) or diameter symbol ∅ (e.g. used in photography) and so on.

    Rafael "rafaeiro" Ferreira said:
    I really liked your project, congratulations.
    Thank you Rafaeiro.. :D I really enjoy to discover new ways to solve every part of this project, it really was so fun.

    Simon Dunford said:
    Congrats, have you tried playing with the tail of R to drop it passed the baseline ? I know its unconventional, but the tail just looks squashed, could be a cool alt, just to make some logotypes a little unconfirmed and more expressive ... ? 
    On next part of this project may be do many of this kind of creative solutions and many more new ones too, like same extension on "R, K, Q" and may be an alternative extended "L" I need to sketch to decide new features for this typeface design, I will take note from your suggestion.

    I have planned to extend this to a wider family with lowercase and try an italic, I'm not sure what could it be but this is just the first step of a bigger project indeed.

    Thank you Simon.
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