Transforming reference components

Nick Shinn
Nick Shinn Posts: 2,247
in Technique and Theory
If, for instance, my right parenthesis is a reference to the left parenthesis, flipped, are there any known problems with this? 

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  • Georg Seifert
    Georg Seifert Posts: 677
    You should rotate it by 180° to avoid a wrong contrast and decompose it on export. Otherwise you should be fine.
  • Nick Shinn
    Nick Shinn Posts: 2,247
    edited February 2015
    Why wrong contrast? Isn’t that only an issue when glyphs overlap?
    Why decompose? Isn’t the idea to reduce file size?
  • Craig Eliason
    Craig Eliason Posts: 1,447
    Contrast matters if the design isn't horizontally symmetrical.
  • Michael Jarboe
    Michael Jarboe Posts: 265
    When doing metrics transformations things can get screwy unless the glyph is only flipped vertically and/or has symmetrical sidebearings.
  • PabloImpallari
    PabloImpallari Posts: 806
    edited February 2015
    I prefer to avoid flipped component whenever possible.
    Sometimes they end up having inverse contour direction.

    Use them at the beginning of the design process. Once you are happy, decompose and correct path direction.
  • attar
    attar Posts: 209
    But I think mirrored references is perfectly doable with TrueType. I've seen that in FF webfonts (I think I was looking at Franziska).
  • Deleted Account
    Deleted Account Posts: 739
    Nick's first question is whether this is a problem, and in storing sources, if it is handy to have a glyph composited, remaining linked to the source glyph, including transformation by whatever useful means the design tool will allow, then do it. For font generation, I'd decompose and correct path directions on anything other than x and y positioned composite glyphs. 

  • Georg Seifert
    Georg Seifert Posts: 677
    When I tried mirrored or y shifted components, the results where not nice...
  • James Hultquist-Todd
    James Hultquist-Todd Posts: 423
    Do you autohint after you decompose everything?
  • Georg Seifert
    Georg Seifert Posts: 677 
    Do you autohint after you decompose everything?
    How you do your hinting doesn’t (shouldn’t ?) matter (if the hinting would be decomposed with the outlines ;)
  • Malcolm Wooden
    Malcolm Wooden Posts: 58
    Do you autohint after you decompose everything?
    When creating auto hinted CFF fonts in FontLab – particularly when using Adobe’s Auto-Hint script, I have found you get better results if everything is decomposed first. I think this may be due to subroutine building and hint replacement.


  • Deleted Account
    Deleted Account Posts: 739
    edited March 2015
    If one is autohinting, it doesn't matter much when the decompositing happens, I think.
    Also, I'm pretty sure cff has nested subroutines so, I don't think you save by decompositing everything. But I'd like to know if cff subroutines use mirroring and flipping matching to compress, or whether the orientation of subroutined curve segment must match...

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