Needing some help with Zero-Width Glyphs
HalflingCaravan
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Most of the stuff I do is with board and card game designs, and I have no formal training at all… so please respond with fairly low jargon versions!
What I have been trying to get right is the following:
- I have an icon I want in one colour,
- I want that icon to have a background colour of a particular shape that may not match the shape of the icon itself (see below)
What I have been trying to get right is the following:
- I have an icon I want in one colour,
- I want that icon to have a background colour of a particular shape that may not match the shape of the icon itself (see below)
Now my solution for this in the font and layout design would be to create a foreground glyph (sunburst, water, tree, fireball, skull) and a background glyph (circle that extends outside the foreground) then colour them appropriately.
I understand that a zero-width glyph will let me “hide” one glyph under the other to achieve that effect.
I've done that and made a zero-width glyph, offset the background glyph so it sits on the right of the zero-width space.
When I use the font in the layout program things overlap just fine BUT there is a big empty void (probably the size of a glyph) at the start of left-aligned text. (See below: Note there is no space or paragraph indent in that text box and the paragraph has been set to left-align. It should be on the left edge of that blue text box)
Is there a better method to get this effect? I can live with a big void if I have to, but I'd really prefer not to...
(using FontForge on a Windows machine and Affinity Publisher as the layout program)
EDIT: Tried a 'stupid but maybe obvious' fix to it all. Instead of hanging the glyph to the right of a zero-width, I hung it off the left of the zero-width and it all worked for me. Thanks for the help people have given so far.
I understand that a zero-width glyph will let me “hide” one glyph under the other to achieve that effect.
I've done that and made a zero-width glyph, offset the background glyph so it sits on the right of the zero-width space.
When I use the font in the layout program things overlap just fine BUT there is a big empty void (probably the size of a glyph) at the start of left-aligned text. (See below: Note there is no space or paragraph indent in that text box and the paragraph has been set to left-align. It should be on the left edge of that blue text box)
Is there a better method to get this effect? I can live with a big void if I have to, but I'd really prefer not to...
(using FontForge on a Windows machine and Affinity Publisher as the layout program)
EDIT: Tried a 'stupid but maybe obvious' fix to it all. Instead of hanging the glyph to the right of a zero-width, I hung it off the left of the zero-width and it all worked for me. Thanks for the help people have given so far.
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Ah, FontForge does not support actual multi-color fonts, which was my first thought for a solution.
Glyphs and FontLab both do this, and I believe Affinity Publisher supports them. These days, the COLR/CPAL variant is probably the way to go, especially (though not only) if you are on Windows.
Also assuming you don’t need to switch the colors for any given combo. That is, the tree always has a green background, etc. There are ways of handling multiple palettes, but I doubt Affinity supports those yet.0 -
Yeah I was looking to be able to change colour in layout hence the “two glyph” solution. The thing you see above is basically <1 <2 < 3 <4 etcwhere the < is the background coloured zero-width glyph.0
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I think the way you're doing it with multiple layers is the best solution. Color fonts don't give you any flexibity if you want to adjust colors later. It also allows you to add effects to the color background layer.
If you add another row of text, is the second line also indented? What happens when you test it in other applications?0 -
Another option would be identical width glyphs, and stacking a text box with the icon string on top of a text box with the outlines. Not sure if that would be easier to deal with or not...0
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Craig Eliason said:Another option would be identical width glyphs, and stacking a text box with the icon string on top of a text box with the outlines. Not sure if that would be easier to deal with or not...Ray Larabie said:I think the way you're doing it with multiple layers is the best solution. Color fonts don't give you any flexibity if you want to adjust colors later. It also allows you to add effects to the color background layer.
If you add another row of text, is the second line also indented? What happens when you test it in other applications?0 -
Ray Larabie said:I think the way you're doing it with multiple layers is the best solution. Color fonts don't give you any flexibity if you want to adjust colors later. It also allows you to add effects to the color background layer.
If you add another row of text, is the second line also indented? What happens when you test it in other applications?0
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