Adobe Arabic & the missing 3/4 Hamzah & the under-dotted Kaf for Jawi & Pegon

AzizMostafa AzizAli

Dear Friends,

Adobe Arabic was well-done by http://www.Tiro.com for Arabic & the South-East Asia Arabic-based scripts: Jawi & Pegon.  However, the 3/4 Hamza for Jawi (Top & middle images) and the under-dotted Kaf (bottom image) for Pegon had been overlooked, either intentionally or unknowingly. That's right, Arabic Hamza & dots are unique & dynamic.

So far, https://Maryamsoft.com is the only company that has taken the dynamic Hamza & dots into account as elaborated by the attached file (QB-English.pdf)

Looking forward to expanding Adobe Arabic & all the coming Arabic fonts to cover both Jawi & Pegon scripts.

Many Thanks & Best Regards for All with Flowers

https://T.me/FonJawi/650 & https://T.me/FlowerCrosswords

Johannes Neumeier

Are those two encoded glyphs with distinct unicodes or what character context do they appear in?

Besides I feel your patronizing and petty tone and the constant name dropping really make it hard to take any of your posts serious. That is a shame, truly, since you seem both knowledgeable and passionate about Arabic typography.

Simon Cozens

Johannes Neumeier said:

Besides I feel your patronizing and petty tone and the constant name dropping really make it hard to take any of your posts serious.

To be fair, I think he's just learnt that if he wants to advertise his commercial fonts he has to do so in a way that looks a bit like a discussion topic.

AzizMostafa AzizAli

Simon Cozens said:

Johannes Neumeier said:

Besides I feel your patronizing and petty tone and the constant name dropping really make it hard to take any of your posts serious.

To be fair, I think he's just learnt that if he wants to advertise his commercial fonts he has to do so in a way that looks a bit like a discussion topic.

Well, here is a summary of my long discussion with Dr. Michael Wayne Goodman, the owner of http://goodmami.org/rumi-jawi-web/index.html that says:
Jawi is an Arabic script, but it uses characters not present in the Arabic language, so it is important to choose a font containing glyphs for these characters. This site uses Google's Noto Naskh Arabic font https://www.google.com/get/noto/#naskh-arab as it contains these glyphs and is a neutral typeface without many embellishments.

Say: That's not 100% true! When it comes to Jawi, the position of the character "Hamzah" goes up to 3/4 if followed by waw, ya or Noon. For example, the following words;

Naik, Laut, Daun, Audit, Air, Bacaan & Kekayaan should be consecutively transcribed into

نا۶يق لا۶وت، دا۶ون، ا۶وديت، ا۶ير، باچا۶ن، ککايا۶ن

Whereas through Goodmami convertor, they are consecutively transcribed into:

ناءيق، لاءوت، داءون، اءوديت، اءير، باچاءن، ککاياءن

And sadly elsewhere too http://lexilogos.com/keyboard/jawi.htm

So, in place of Noto Naskh Arabic font, I do recommend using Jawi Uthman Taha font https://www.free-fonts.com/jawi-uthman-taha .

Looking forward to making use of the right font in the right place.

https://T.me/FlowerCrosswords/95 @ http://T.me/Pegon_nusantara

Hope my posts are more illuminating that confusing.

All the best for All with Flowers