Segnieur Serif Display Italics

Jani Paavola
Jani Paavola Posts: 54
in Type Design Critiques
Hello all!
I'm building my first set of italics to earlier released Segnieur Serif Display ( https://www.myfonts.com/fonts/paavola-type-studio/segnieur-serif-display/ )
Could you please point out if you see something all wrong with any glyph? Anything too light or too chunky? Any deal-breakers?

Thank you!

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  • Craig Eliason
    Craig Eliason Posts: 1,459
    Bring more weight further into the extenders of /2/3/5/6/9/ (or consider adding a terminal of some kind). Should crossbars of /f/t/ be beefier? A more staid /J/ might be useful, at least as an alternate. Did you consider a one-story /g/? Teardrops of /c/s/x/ could be darker in the heavier weights.
  • Andreas Stötzner
    Andreas Stötzner Posts: 808
    v w y z  appear to be out of place, especially w is a no-brainer. J seems to be too freakish, whereas Q lacks vigour (in the tail part).
    The et is quite nice but too light.
    You may wish to do some actual text samples in order to verify critical bits.
  • Simon Cozens
    Simon Cozens Posts: 777
    /g has a flat tyre. Needs pumping. /J doesn't fit. Symbols are phoning it in.
  • Jani Paavola
    Jani Paavola Posts: 54
    Craig Eliason said:
    Bring more weight further into the extenders of /2/3/5/6/9/ (or consider adding a terminal of some kind). Should crossbars of /f/t/ be beefier? A more staid /J/ might be useful, at least as an alternate. Did you consider a one-story /g/? Teardrops of /c/s/x/ could be darker in the heavier weights.
    Thank you Craig! Crossbars beefier, definitely a bit. More staid /J is actually as alternate already, I guess I move them around. Teardrops darker as well. About the extenders of numerals, you've got a point, maybe not terminals though.
    Thank you again!
  • Jani Paavola
    Jani Paavola Posts: 54
    Andreas Stötzner said:
    v w y z  appear to be out of place, especially w is a no-brainer. J seems to be too freakish, whereas Q lacks vigour (in the tail part).
    The et is quite nice but too light.
    You may wish to do some actual text samples in order to verify critical bits.
    Thank you for the feedback Andreas! Agree on /J, will change. What I don't understand is your comment on v w y z and the no-brainer part.
    But thanks!
  • Jani Paavola
    Jani Paavola Posts: 54
    Simon Cozens said:
    /g has a flat tyre. Needs pumping. /J doesn't fit. Symbols are phoning it in.
    Thank you Simon!
    /g has been most problematic in this process, but I agree, needs pumping. :)
     /J will be changed. Symbols phoning it in? Care to explain, don't get it?
    But thanks!
  • Jani Paavola
    Jani Paavola Posts: 54
    Here's alt /J changed, and lining figures of light cut


  • Simon Cozens
    Simon Cozens Posts: 777
    What I mean by "symbols are phoning it in" is that monoline #^_=+<>/\| don't seem designed for this particular font. I feel like they need some degree of weight balancing with the instances. (And with the -, which seems to have a weight all of its own).
  • Christian Thalmann
    Christian Thalmann Posts: 2,018
    Shouldn't it say Seigneur?
  • Jani Paavola
    Jani Paavola Posts: 54
    Christian Thalmann said:
    Shouldn't it say Seigneur?

  • Matthijs Herzberg
    Matthijs Herzberg Posts: 155
    Jani Paavola said:
    Andreas Stötzner said:
    v w y z  appear to be out of place, especially w is a no-brainer. J seems to be too freakish, whereas Q lacks vigour (in the tail part).
    The et is quite nice but too light.
    You may wish to do some actual text samples in order to verify critical bits.
    Thank you for the feedback Andreas! Agree on /J, will change. What I don't understand is your comment on v w y z and the no-brainer part.
    But thanks!
    The right bowl on /w has far too little weight, and should match the left bowl.
    /v and /y are lighter than other letters, as they contain a lot of negative space (v in its counter, y on its left sidebearing). /x looks fine to me personally.
  • Jani Paavola
    Jani Paavola Posts: 54
    Matthijs Herzberg said:
    Jani Paavola said:
    Andreas Stötzner said:
    v w y z  appear to be out of place, especially w is a no-brainer. J seems to be too freakish, whereas Q lacks vigour (in the tail part).
    The et is quite nice but too light.
    You may wish to do some actual text samples in order to verify critical bits.
    Thank you for the feedback Andreas! Agree on /J, will change. What I don't understand is your comment on v w y z and the no-brainer part.
    But thanks!
    The right bowl on /w has far too little weight, and should match the left bowl.
    /v and /y are lighter than other letters, as they contain a lot of negative space (v in its counter, y on its left sidebearing). /x looks fine to me personally.
    Thank You Matthijs!
  • Connor Davenport
    Connor Davenport Posts: 36
    I'd be careful, you chose some dangerous source material for this.
  • Jani Paavola
    Jani Paavola Posts: 54
    Connor Davenport said:
    I'd be careful, you chose some dangerous source material for this.
    What?
  • Nathan Zimet
    Nathan Zimet Posts: 76
    edited July 2020
    is the right arm of the lowercase w too thick in the regular weight
  • Connor Davenport
    Connor Davenport Posts: 36
    Both the roman and italic are eerily similar to Quarto. This isn’t to criticize but to warn.
  • Jani Paavola
    Jani Paavola Posts: 54
    Connor Davenport said:
    Both the roman and italic are eerily similar to Quarto. This isn’t to criticize but to warn.
    While drawing Segnieur, I've studied Quarto, but also Garamond, Caslon, Tiempos and various other classic serif families. Some letterforms might be similar but details of Quarto makes it entirely different IMHO

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