Musk, High Contrast Sans Serif
Eko Bimantara
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Hi, I'm new in type, previously I'm working for Illustration and logos, and this is my second font family that still in progress. Im looking at Linotype's Optima and try to explore that style. Focus in readability on text, this sample is not yet kern. I need to read a lot about types and its term to describe more about this work, so far I think this is a sans serif with high contrast stems that make it look Classic
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Hi @Eko
Welcome to the forum.
You might want to attach a pdf sample of your work so people can zoom in and out to see the details.
If I recall correctly, this is a real names forum unless your nickname identifies unambiguously who you are (as in: foundry name).
As to the design itself, I like the general idea of /g. The terminals on the /S bring to mind Armenian type, or maybe its rendition in Noto. The corresponding terminal on /G needs refinement. The top bar on /E should be shorter than the bottom bar, in most cases.
I'll leave the real critic to the pros ;D2 -
That bold seems fairly light by today’s standards.0
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The stroke weight seems to vary by three groups, from too heavy to too light: Diagonals, verticals, round glyphs. So V looks too dark compared to H, but O looks to light compared to H. This is equally visible in the lowercase, and in the text at small size you can notice it as the stems being clearly darker.
The diagonals, especially at the end of the alphabet, feel stylistically out of place and generally too straight. If you compare K to V, for example, the V stands out as too rigid. Maybe you can try some stroke variation in the verticals and diagonals, so they mingle better with those luscious terminals you got going. At the same time, try to not overdo it with that vibe, if you mean to keep it readable for text, which right now still nicely works for small passages.
Also, the M, since it is the namesake letter of the face; it has a very open crotch.
More consistency is needed, but the direction is nice; a typeface with very pleasant tones and its own character.1 -
@Adam Jagosz Thanks!
I'll attach pdf's in next post, Eko Bimantara is the real name
The /S and /s terminals is on horizontal position, like a regular serif style, not only I wanted it to look unique, also because the diagonal terminals (as /C, or /G) is not fit at all.terminal on /G needs refinementThe top bar on /E should be shorter than the bottom bar0 -
@James Puckett
I'm looking at Lato for this weight, which have a slight difference between the weight. The heaviest black is not too thick. Reading them is so easy although when it have difference weight at a body text.
But I think I'm considering to make more distance between the weight.
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@Johannes NeumeierThe stroke weight seems to vary by three groups, from too heavy to too light: Diagonals, verticals, round glyphs. So V looks too dark compared to H, but O looks to light compared to H. This is equally visible in the lowercase, and in the text at small size you can notice it as the stems being clearly darker.The diagonals, especially at the end of the alphabet, feel stylistically out of place and generally too straight. If you compare K to V, for example, the V stands out as too rigid. Maybe you can try some stroke variation in the verticals and diagonals, so they mingle better with those luscious terminals you got going. At the same time, try to not overdo it with that vibe, if you mean to keep it readable for text, which right now still nicely works for small passages.
Yes the thicker terminals was for reading purpose, I just try to avoid sharp edges but dont want to make a ball or half circle either, so thats make these vibes. I've done some overdo with it and change for some variative edges; Mix them with a cut straight as /U and slanted soft cut ascender as /t /b /d. But yes, i think the straight cut edges is out of style. I will make some change for the straight cut strokes.
Yes, its because I'm try to make less slanted side. I'll change that
Also, the M, since it is the namesake letter of the face; it has a very open crotch.
Thank you very much for this details
This is why I love making a font, forcing me to have a sharp vision
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I'm like a broken record on this, but: if you're focusing on readability it's important to use the vertical space more effectively; because Latinate languages exhibit many more ascenders than descenders, making those two equal isn't as rational as it might seem; the former have to be longer, and since in this case the caps are at the same height as the ascenders –while they should generally be shorter– I would simple raise the ascenders.Adam Jagosz said:The terminals on the /S bring to mind Armenian type
BTW personally I prefer a light Bold in a text[y] face, because it keeps it usable for text, strangely enough. :-) Overly dark Bolds were concocted during the Core Fonts era, to reduce hinting work...1 -
@Hrant H. Papazianif you're focusing on readability it's important to use the vertical space more effectively; because Latinate languages have many more ascenders than descenders, making those two equal isn't as rational as it might seem; the former have to be longer, and since in this case the caps are at the same height as the ascenders (while they should generally be shorter) I would simple raise the ascenders.
I made the x-height short, its 441 with standard 1000 upm. With slanted cut on ascenders stroke I think its easy to adjust the ascender or descender without changing the whole proportion if it needed. I'll considering that. Thanks0 -
I don't know what is light bold or dark bolds mean, need more reference about those term0
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Eko Bimantara said:I don't know what is light bold or dark bolds mean, need more reference about those term
In the top sample, the increase in stroke thickness from the first line to the second is more pronounced than in the bottom sample. Of course, there are also differences in heaviness between the regular styles of the two typefaces as well as in overall size. But even when we take these into account, the bold styles are not equally heavy, compared to their regular counterparts. In the top sample, the stem of ‘h’ is ±80% thicker in the bold than in the regular style. In the bottom sample, the difference is only ±60%. This value will not be exactly the same for every letter, but it gives a quantitative indication of a visible difference. One could say that the bold style of the top typeface is heavier than the bold style of the bottom typeface, but this can also be expressed in terms of light/dark. The top typeface has a darker (i.e., heavier/bolder/thicker) bold style than the bottom typeface, which has a rather light (i.e., less heavy/bold/thick) bold style.
Of course, this is not just a matter of style and taste. It has functional implications as well. When you only have one bold style in a typeface, the way you design it will determine the way it is best used. When you make it fairly dark/heavy/bold/thick, it will stand out strongly against the regular style. This can be useful in some contexts (e.g., in display typography), but may be less than ideal for users who need a more subdued way of accentuation (e.g., in some types of text typography). These considerations may all be moot with variable fonts, but we’re not quite there yet.
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This refers to the fact that not every style called ‘Bold’ looks equally heavy, compared to the style called ‘Regular’ or ‘Book’ in the same typeface. Here is an example:
The top typeface has a darker (i.e., heavier/bolder/thicker) bold style than the bottom typeface, which has a rather light (i.e., less heavy/bold/thick) bold style.
I see, thats what i mean with Lato, the thickness between regular and bold style is lighter compared to Myriad or Camphor, I like that, thanks for the explanation0 -
Christopher Bergmann said:
When you only have one bold style in a typeface, the way you design it will determine the way it is best used.1 -
The relative weight of bolds and lights is also influenced by the use case. For example a bold geared towards screens use might be more explicitly dark to convey a proper weight increase on any number of resolutions and rendering algorithms, whereas a high quality editorial print might be a little more subtle and its weight increase can still be obvious enough.
The other thing that also makes weight relative is the intended use size, and how cluttering up adds extra weight in small sizes, which you might compensate for to keep the weight distribution as intended.
But with both those issues it is a chicken and egg problem when it comes to designing the type.2 -
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No IDs please!0
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Well, that's not the usual case, where I bring the sample and ask for help identifying it. If someone uploads a sample, and the font looks interesting, I think it's fair to ask them for its identity. It's not going to deteriorate this forum into identifont.3
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Thanks
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Hi everyone, just want to inform and say thanks for your input and appreciation for my work in this forum, now Musk is on MyFonts
https://www.myfonts.com/fonts/eko-bimantara/musk/
Im not sure how to give something back for you guys, but I'll try to make a donation to the site in the future. Thanks! Best regards.0
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