SepidKhan: An alternate for Persian/Arabic braille
But why an alternate?
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Wow. This is impressive work. A great reminder that while Latin Type designers keep the infill coming, people working with non-Latin scripts are doing work of serious importance.1
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James Puckett said:Wow. This is impressive work. A great reminder that while Latin Type designers keep the infill coming, people working with non-Latin scripts are doing work of serious importance.0
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Braille is used by few visually-impaired persons because few of them are born blind or become blind in very early childhood. In previous eras, such children would be educated in “blind schools,” where Braille was actually taught.
With the trend toward “mainstreaming” in the last 30 years, blind children go to regular schools and rarely get intensive training in Braille. Sighted administrators figure that blind kids can just listen to all the printed matter they would ever need throughout their entire lives. (Funny how they never say that about sighted kids.) As a result, Braille literacy, and general literacy and ability to spell and punctuate, among blind and visually-impaired adults have cratered.
You are attempting to solve a problem that doesn’t exist, or, if it exists, has been solved already. What you are responding to is Braille’s universal left-to-right direction, which offends you morally.
There isn’t going to be a second form of Braille just for Farsi. Among other things, Unicode will never encode this script, and no transliteration software will ever support it, and the overlapping Venn diagrams of Farsi-speaking blind people who don’t know Braille but wish to learn it is smaller than the attendance at TypeCon every year.
Further, if you were really committed to encoding Farsi in tactile dots, you would encode initial, medial, and terminal forms. But you subconsciously recognized that Braille characters are unconnected, hence that would be pointless. So much of this project is.
You have an experimental project. It is worthy in and of itself as an experiment. It isn’t a solution to anything, least of all a set of problems you barely understand.
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Also, a small error: "Other advantages of using SepidKhan is the fact that it’s LTR"I believe you meant to say RTL, no?1
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I visited the Elia Life website and I confess that I am a bit skeptical of many of their claims -- particularly because they claim to have done extensive research but don't actually provide any links or references to this research.
The claim I am most skeptical of is that their systems is significantly easier to learn than Braille. I don't think that similarity to latin characters is going to be a major advantage to learning a tactile alphabet — after all, there are only ~40 symbols to learn which isn't a difficult feat.
Much more difficult is learning to read using an entirely different modality (touch vs. visual) and the fact that a given pattern might be easy to discern visually does not necessarily translate into be easy to process tactilely.
I think a major reason that the Moon Alphabet (which is only slightly less old than Braille) hasn't caught on is precisely for this reason -- dots are probably the simplest form to learn to process tactilely, whereas I suspect more complex shapes require considerably more effort.
I would suggest, therefore, that you're really putting the cart before the horse here — if you feel that traditional Braille is not adequate, then a fairly major research programme would be required to confirm this and to identify strategies which might be preferable. Proposing an alternative to Braille should be the absolute last step in this process. The focus really should be on determining which sorts of tactile patterns are easiest to recognize, both individually and in running text.
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Thomas Phinney said:Also, a small error: "Other advantages of using SepidKhan is the fact that it’s LTR"I believe you meant to say RTL, no?0
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André G. Isaak said:I visited the Elia Life website and I confess that I am a bit skeptical of many of their claims -- particularly because they claim to have done extensive research but don't actually provide any links or references to this research.
The claim I am most skeptical of is that their systems is significantly easier to learn than Braille. I don't think that similarity to latin characters is going to be a major advantage to learning a tactile alphabet — after all, there are only ~40 symbols to learn which isn't a difficult feat.
Much more difficult is learning to read using an entirely different modality (touch vs. visual) and the fact that a given pattern might be easy to discern visually does not necessarily translate into be easy to process tactilely.
I think a major reason that the Moon Alphabet (which is only slightly less old than Braille) hasn't caught on is precisely for this reason -- dots are probably the simplest form to learn to process tactilely, whereas I suspect more complex shapes require considerably more effort.
I would suggest, therefore, that you're really putting the cart before the horse here — if you feel that traditional Braille is not adequate, then a fairly major research programme would be required to confirm this and to identify strategies which might be preferable. Proposing an alternative to Braille should be the absolute last step in this process. The focus really should be on determining which sorts of tactile patterns are easiest to recognize, both individually and in running text.
AndréELIA takes a different position. The company, which is an honorable mention this year for Fast Company’s Innovation By Design Awards, has raised roughly $450,000 in angel investment since it was founded. It has received $2.7 million from organizations such as the National Institute on Aging and the National Eye Institute (divisions of the National Institutes of Health), the National Institute for Standards and Technology, and NYSTAR. More recently, ELIA also worked to develop a touch printer in partnership with Hewlett-Packard, as well as a tactile display, both of which would serve to put ELIA in the hands of visually impaired people. After 17 years of research and user testing, ELIA is hoping to bring the new system to the masses starting at the end of this year.And if all of these are all lies, maybe you're right. But about braille and dots being the simple solution, I wrote that only 10% of blind people could read braille, how come it is that simple that the rates are this low?
Over the years that ELIA has been up and running, the company has tested the alphabet on 175,000 participant responses. The first study included three groups of people, each of whom received 30 hours of training and testing. One group learned braille, one ELIA, and the other a system of raised Roman letters. The second study also included those three systems, but participants trained for an increased 60 hours of instruction and testing. In addition to testing for speed and understanding against other systems, ELIA researchers also tested the ELIA groups with random letterforms to see how those letters performed. They solicited feedback on the letters that participants struggled with and adjusted them accordingly.From this detailed post about Elia: https://www.fastcodesign.com/90136975/the-complicated-quest-to-redesign-braille
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Yes, I saw the Co.Design article. Once again, it mentions research but doesn't actually point to the actual research. I'm not suggesting that they are lying, but it's not possible to objectively evaluate research that hasn't been made public.
With respect to the fact that Braille has a low readership, that doesn't necessarily indicate anything about the difficulty in learning Braille (and if it did, even fewer people know the Moon alphabet which is based on principles similar to Elia). This may simply indicate a lack of available educational opportunities for many people with visual impairments.
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André G. Isaak said:Yes, I saw the Co.Design article. Once again, it mentions research but doesn't actually point to the actual research. I'm not suggesting that they are lying, but it's not possible to objectively evaluate research that hasn't been made public.
With respect to the fact that Braille has a low readership, that doesn't necessarily indicate anything about the difficulty in learning Braille (and if it did, even fewer people know the Moon alphabet which is based on principles similar to Elia). This may simply indicate a lack of available educational opportunities for many people with visual impairments.
André
I think the reason for "a lack of available educational opportunities" is in fact braille being a hard learning script. If it was a simple or logical one, you could easily train new teachers and also educate more blind people. Imagine it didn't take weeks to learn braille, it didn't need software/hardware or reverse writing system,...
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For almost all writing systems, the main reason they are still around is their history! This is not a meaningful criticism. Very few were designed in some logical manner according to a rational scheme. (Korean being a notable exception.)
In any case, I agree wholeheartedly with André. It is not that we think there’s anything wrong with Elia; we just have a high standard of evidence. Strong claims are being made, and they need strong evidence. I won’t be surprised if the evidence does materialize, it certainly sounds as if it exists. But I do want to see it.1 -
Did you develop this with blind people? Changing a culture is hard enough, but doing it as an outsider is near impossible.0
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Thomas Phinney said:For almost all writing systems, the main reason they are still around is their history! This is not a meaningful criticism. Very few were designed in some logical manner according to a rational scheme. (Korean being a notable exception.)
In any case, I agree wholeheartedly with André. It is not that we think there’s anything wrong with Elia; we just have a high standard of evidence. Strong claims are being made, and they need strong evidence. I won’t be surprised if the evidence does materialize, it certainly sounds as if it exists. But I do want to see it.
But I bet if only 10% or less of Iranians (or Afghans and Tajiks) could read or write Persian script, we certainly would do something about that, wouldn't we?
Elia is very new to me too, but I thought it has a good concept. I hope it can be used some day and even if it never will, it could be a step to remind us all that maybe sometimes there are more important things in the design community worth trying. Maybe not Moon, not Elia, but someday something rise up and can fix the horrible usage rate of braille.0 -
Simon Cozens said:Did you develop this with blind people? Changing a culture is hard enough, but doing it as an outsider is near impossible.0
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