Industry Letter to Copyright Office - Please Share

Frank Martinez of the Martinez Group PLLC is known throughout the font industry as "The Font Lawyer" and for decades has been the champion for font copyright IP protection for fonts. I offered to share his request to this forum in the hopes that many of my fellow US based font creators will reach out to him directly to participate.

From Frank:
 "I am working with Monotype on an industry letter (on behalf of US based font foundries) that we will be sending to the Copyright Office and for use in legislative lobbying. The purpose of the letter is to urge the Copyright Office to return to a policy of granting copyrights for font software and to inform the Congress how the loss of the ability to protect font software is harming the font industry."

Those wishing to participate should e-mail Frank directly at fm@martinezgroup.com with the name of the foundry/foundries and the name of the person who is authorizing the inclusion of the foundry name(s) as part of this industry letter - which I am participating in on behalf of all of my font foundries in support of this initiative.

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  • Matthew Smith
    Matthew Smith Posts: 100
    edited December 5

    I have some questions.

    Who has Frank or Monotype spoken with outside of Monotype prior to drafting this letter?

    Has any open dialogue occurred regarding this topic that can be read or accessed by other foundries or independent designers?

    How did you hear about this? Did Frank reach out to you personally? Were you contacted by Monotype? Was there some kind of press release around this?

    Has Monotype disclosed any real life examples of where they or anyone in the industry has been harmed by this? Better yet, have they disclosed why they are interested in pursuing this now?

    Is there a draft of this letter so far or perhaps an outline? Or is it too early for that still?

    I am interested in participating, but don’t necessarily want to authorize the inclusion of my foundry names as part of this industry letter quite yet. Is that possible?

    Will this result in broad copyright language that will permit big players like Monotype to stake claim over historical faces?

    When the largest company in an industry is advocating for stronger laws, I can’t help but be skeptical of how they will leverage that against smaller competitors. Historically speaking, this tends to be the case in the US. Even if the legal cases get thrown out or don’t hold up in court, litigation is a bullying tactic often employed by the powerful to extinguish competitors.[1][2][3]

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  • John Butler
    John Butler Posts: 352
    Some further discussion of this can be found in this Mastodon thread.
  • It’s my guess that the management of Monotype has been ordered by the company’s owners, HGGC, to do whatever they can to increase the value of the company so it can be sold off without too much of a loss. Because HGGC is a private equity firm, we can't really know how much money they've lost on Monotype, but I suspect it's quite a lot, especially as the management team they've installed knows nothing about the business they're in and every marketing strategy they come up with is laughably clueless.
    The HGGC Monotype page states: “Monotype is a one-of-a-kind platform that delivers scarce evergreen font IP, software and solutions through a scaled omnichannel monetization engine." Evergreen font IP? How scarce? How do you prove that to a potential buyer? Start with enormous pile of copyright registrations. How defensible are these registrations?
    Nobody knows. Better Call Frank! 
  • I see a lot of scepticism wrt Monotype and its motives, which might be well grounded. But could it be possible they have a motivation that is aligned with the interests of all foundries?
  • Thomas Phinney
    Thomas Phinney Posts: 3,099
    edited December 20
    Although I think that in general Monotype’s objectives are not especially aligned with other foundries, I also believe that they and virtually all other type foundries and resellers have a common interest in this regard.

    That said, I can’t imagine committing to sign on to such a letter in advance of seeing it, if it is being drafted by just one party and their lawyer. I would expect that even the most interested parties would be likely to say, “sounds interesting, but we would want to see the letter first.”

    And of course a process that involved more players up front might get more interest. I don’t think you could involve everyone, but you could have a review and consulting group that represented type designers and foundries more broadly than a single mega-foundry/distributor does. 

    @Matthew Smith: this is positioned as advocating a return to previous policy, rather than a change to an entirely new state of affairs. Clearly, the party with the most fonts also benefits the most. But that doesn’t mean it is of no value to others.

    As recently understood, since the early 1990s, copyright for computer fonts in the USA has been a question of the software code and the specific coordinates used, not the abstract design. So for example, US copyright wouldn’t stop somebody from doing a look-alike of Monotype Bembo, as long as they did not start with Monotype’s font software to do it. But it would give Monotype legal recourse if the third party created that look-alike font by starting with Monotype’s digital font and using the vector outlines and coordinates from it, rather than creating their own from an analog source.

    (Note: I am using “font” here as a shorthand, when I actually mean a font family, a set of related fonts.)
  • The opinion in Adobe Systems, Inc. v. Southern Software, Inc. was very generous to Adobe. There is a very reasonable argument that the notion that digital fonts are generally eligible for copyright at all in the US is erroneous, and that the selection of coordinate points does not show non-de minimis "creative spark" required for a copyright, bearing in mind that it was the explicit intent of Congress to completely exclude typefaces from the scope of copyright law. I don't think it's too surprising that font foundries (including Monotype) have repeatedly chosen settlements over fully re-litigating this issue.
    More broadly, are modern-day computer typeface designers really engaged in a creative activity in a way that the designers of pre-digital typefaces were not? I highly doubt it! And since that kind of creative activity (in creating typeface designs) was specifically excluded from the scope of copyright... You see where I'm going.
    There are, of course, design patents, but those don't last forever and ever and ever.
    I realize that people in the commercial font industry have every incentive to argue that computer fonts are copyrightable, but I don't think that means that Congress really intended for that to be the case. And copyright was never able to be used as a tool for the protection of type design in the pre-digital era; the only thing that kept foundries from copying one another too much was a sort of norm that they wouldn't (or, if you are less charitable, a cartel-like agreement, i.e., the Code morale). Nowadays, copying things (be they designs or anything else) is much easier technologically, but this has no bearing on whether there's any copyright-protectable creativity involved, and that's what copyright law is (supposed to be) all about.
    This is separate, by the way, from what one might think the law should be (which is a matter of opinion). There's also plenty of things I could say about the business practices of Monotype (especially in contrast with the historical practices of type foundries), but that's another story
  • John Hudson
    John Hudson Posts: 3,574
    edited December 23
    Nowadays, copying things (be they designs or anything else) is much easier technologically, but this has no bearing on whether there's any copyright-protectable creativity involved, and that's what copyright law is (supposed to be) all about.
    Protection of the rights of creators in law is intrinsically tied to technological ease of copying; indeed, it serves as a balance to that ease by compensating for the loss of previous technological limits on copying. This is why such law first emerges—in the form of granted privileges rather than recognised as rights—soon after the advent of printing made reproduction of texts and images easier than manual copying. Later, the administration of such protection shifted from granted privileges to inherent rights, which is both fairer and easier to manage. So when technology changes to make copying even easier, as is the case with digital media, it is entirely reasonable and to be expected that the law should adapt, as it has done in the past, to further compensate.

    I have long held the view that the ‘protectable creativity’ argument is a red-herring, even if made in good faith. It makes no sense for that nebulous concept to be the criterion for protection of the inherent rights of the creator of a thing regarding its utilisation, copying, distribution, and adaptation. The proper question is ‘Is there value in the
     utilisation, copying, distribution, and adaptation of this thing?’, because it is that value the law seeks to protect. Copyright is entirely moot if no one wants to use or copy a thing. The fact that people can distinguish between different typefaces and choose to use one over another is evidence of particular value in the design of those typefaces, as is the fact that someone wants to copy them. [I should also point out that this isn’t something peculiar to commercial fonts: the terms of libre software licenses are also dependent on the original rights of the creator to grant such licenses.]

    And I am talking here about typefaces, not fonts–as-software per se, because I also think that the whole USCO treatment of software as literary works, which is what has led to the fetishisation of typing code, is profoundly wrong-headed. I understand how a bureaucracy that couldn’t understand new media and technology took refuge in something it thought it did understand, but as the things people do on  and with computers become more and more sophisticated, the further the software-code–as–literature strays from the actual source of value in the software, until it becomes unsustainable. The value of a computer game is in the playing of it; no one is sitting down to read the source code like a novel. Likewise, the value of a font is in the using of it, not in how creative someone thinks the designer was being when he or she made it.
  • Daniel Benjamin Miller
    edited December 23

    I have long held the view that the ‘protectable creativity’ argument is a red-herring, even if made in good faith. It makes no sense for that nebulous concept to be the criterion for protection of the inherent rights of the creator of a thing regarding its utilisation, copying, distribution, and adaptation. The proper question is ‘Is there value in the
     utilisation, copying, distribution, and adaptation of this thing?’, because it is that value the law seeks to protect. Copyright is entirely moot if no one wants to use or copy a thing. The fact that people can distinguish between different typefaces and choose to use one over another is evidence of particular value in the design of those typefaces, as is the fact that someone wants to copy them. [I should also point out that this isn’t something peculiar to commercial fonts: the terms of libre software licenses are also dependent on the original rights of the creator to grant such licenses.]
    That may be what you think the law should be, but that doesn't mean it's what the law is in the United States. Feist v. Rural makes it crystal clear that only original creative work of a class considered by Congress is protectable. There is no "inherent" right to copyright under U.S. law; there is only whatever the Congress decides to create. Congress intentionally decided to not include typefaces within the scope of copyright. You're free not to like it, but it's not a red herring, because, as I said, I was addressing what the law is, and not what anyone might suggest it should be.
    To me, it sounds like you think copyright law should protect time and effort, rather than creativity. But this is what the Supreme Court specifically rejected in Feist v. Rural (holding that the data in a phone book, no matter how laborious an exercise it was to compile them, could not be copyrighted, because there was no spark of creativity in their arrangement). According to the Supreme Court, time, effort and usefulness are not what copyright is supposed to protect.
    I think that design patents are actually a far better system for the protection of typeface designs than copyright, but that's neither here nor there. I also happen to agree, by the way, that computer programs are not really "literary" in nature. I also would suggest, however, that the regime of extremely long-lasting copyright, as applied to computer programs, is significantly flawed. That's another conversation, though.