What’s happening with FontBakery? Is Fontspector the future?

Typedesigner
Typedesigner Posts: 64
in Type Design Software

Hello everyone,

I recently came across a note on GitHub mentioning that FontBakery is gradually being phased out, and that Fontspector is the future of font quality assurance. It’s recommended to migrate to Fontspector, as FontBakery seems to no longer be actively maintained.

Currently, there also seem to be issues with installing FontBakery, particularly under Python 3.13.7, which has caused frustration for many users. This raises some important questions for me and others:

  1. Is FontBakery still being developed? Will there be any updates or official support for newer Python versions? Or can we assume that FontBakery is being gradually phased out?

  2. Fontspector as the new solution: What steps are needed to install and use Fontspector on personal systems? Is there a detailed guide for installation and integration of Fontspector into workflows? How does Fontspector differ from FontBakery in terms of usage and functionality?

I’m sure many of us who rely on FontBakery share these questions. Any answers or further information would be very helpful, especially as we may soon need to transition to Fontspector.

Looking forward to your thoughts and experiences!

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  • John Hudson
    John Hudson Posts: 3,499
    There’s a web version of Fontspector that is probably the easiest way to work with it. If you want to install it locally, you can either grab binaries from the project release page or install using cargo-binstall. Depending on your platform, you may need some dependencies preinstalled, as explained in the repo readme.
  • Typedesigner
    Typedesigner Posts: 64
    edited September 6
    Thank you very much for this information.

    Does anyone know who owns or operates the website https://fonttools.github.io/fontspector/ ?
  • mitradranirban
    mitradranirban Posts: 96
    Typedesigner said:
    Thank you very much for this information.

    Does anyone know who owns or operates the website https://fonttools.github.io/fontspector/ ?


    It is run by developer team of fontspector themselves
  • Thomas Phinney
    Thomas Phinney Posts: 3,075
    Specifically, Simon Cozens is the lead developer of Fontspector, and Felipe Sanches was long the lead for Fontbakery.

    Development of both was primarily funded by Google, though many other folks have contributed, either as work for an employer, or on their own.
  • Typedesigner
    Typedesigner Posts: 64
    edited September 7

    The description of how to install Fontspector is difficult to understand. The target audience of this guide must be very familiar with Rust and possibly programming. However, this is not the case for users of FontLab 8 and Glyphs 3 – i.e., type designers – unless they are font engineers.
    https://github.com/fonttools/fontspector?tab=readme-ov-file#running-the-cli-tool

    It would therefore be desirable to have a detailed step-by-step guide, similar to FontBakery, explaining how to install Fontspector.
    https://fontbakery.readthedocs.io/en/latest/user/installation/install-windows.html 


  • Simon Cozens
    Simon Cozens Posts: 803
    John Hudson said:
    There’s a web version of Fontspector that is probably the easiest way to work with it. If you want to install it locally, you can either grab binaries from the project release page or install using cargo-binstall. Depending on your platform, you may need some dependencies preinstalled, as explained in the repo readme.
  • mitradranirban
    mitradranirban Posts: 96
    fTypedesigner said:

    The description of how to install Fontspector is difficult to understand. 

    It is a two step process 

    First install Rust and Cargo as per instruction given in https://doc.rust-lang.org/cargo/getting-started/installation.html

    Next go to a terminal and run 

     cargo install fontspector

  • Typedesigner
    Typedesigner Posts: 64
    edited September 7
    Unfortunately, this description of how to install Fontspector is incomplete and leads to an error. How can this be fixed?
  • Simon Cozens
    Simon Cozens Posts: 803
    I'm not quite sure why you're double-posting your comments both here and on the fontspector issue tracker; it isn't helpful.

    The first step in the install instructions reads:
    You wanted a way to install that's similar to Glyphs and Fontlab - well, there you go! Just download the software and run it; I'm not sure why you've got yourself in a position where you're trying to compile it. If you found that step hard to understand I would appreciate suggestions as to how to make it clearer.

    And as mentioned twice above, for non-technical people who don't want to be messing around with command line software, the easiest way to use fontspector is through the web interface.
  • Typedesigner
    Typedesigner Posts: 64
    edited September 7
    Simon Cozens said:
    I'm not quite sure why you're double-posting your comments both here and on the fontspector issue tracker; it isn't helpful.

    The first step in the install instructions reads:
    You wanted a way to install that's similar to Glyphs and Fontlab - well, there you go! Just download the software and run it; I'm not sure why you've got yourself in a position where you're trying to compile it. If you found that step hard to understand I would appreciate suggestions as to how to make it clearer.

    And as mentioned twice above, for non-technical people who don't want to be messing around with command line software, the easiest way to use fontspector is through the web interface.

    Unfortunately, fontspector.exe cannot be installed on Windows 11. When you click on it, a window briefly opens and then immediately disappears. The software is simply unusable.

    I recently attempted to use the web version of Fontspector (https://fonttools.github.io/fontspector/) but noticed several concerns regarding transparency and data protection. Specifically, I observed that there is no imprint or privacy policy on the site that complies with the requirements of the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR).

    In this context, I have a few questions regarding data processing and potential tracking mechanisms:

    1. Data Collection: What data is collected by the web version of Fontspector? For example, is the IP address of users recorded during their visit to the website?

    2. Cookies and Tracking: Does the website use cookies or other tracking technologies? If so, what information is collected through these, and how is it used?

    3. Data Sharing: Are any collected data, especially font metadata, shared with third parties or used for other purposes?

    Since the website does not provide clear information on privacy matters, I would appreciate a detailed response to the above questions. Specifically, I am interested in how the website complies with EU data protection requirements (GDPR).

  • Simon Cozens
    Simon Cozens Posts: 803
    The reason there is no privacy policy or data processing statement is that no data is gathered or retained at all.
  • mitradranirban
    mitradranirban Posts: 96
    edited September 7
    Actually in the fontspector website nothing is uploaded, the whole program runs in your local browser, your font file is not uploaded anywhere and stays in your computers memory. The tests run in your browser to give you the result so no privacy concern at all 
  • John Savard
    John Savard Posts: 1,188
    edited September 8
    Although, as noted above, FontSpector is far superior to FontBakery in every way... I take it that it was easier to install FontBakery on a Windows system. If, however, FontSpector runs "entirely in your browser", it would seem like it ought to be possible to locally host the web version of the program on any operating system.
    But in that case, how could the web version of FontSpector still be compiled Rust as opposed to JavaScript (or ECMAScript)?
    EDIT: Pardon my ignorance. I did a brief web search, and I now see that something called WebAssembly is involved.
  • Typedesigner
    Typedesigner Posts: 64
    edited September 8
    Universal (community best practices) - Can you explain who set this profile on Fontspector? How does it differ from other profiles?
  • Thomas Phinney
    Thomas Phinney Posts: 3,075
    Same set of tests as Fontbakery. Same profiles. (Modulo perhaps a VERY few brand new tests since Fontbakery has been winding down.)

    Basically, everything that all the major players doing profiles, wants in their profile? Those are in the universal profile. So things that Google, Adobe, Microsoft, Dalton Maag, etcetera all wanted.

    Stuff that at least some major players disagree on whether it should be universally checked in normal fonts? Not in the universal profile.

    Overall, the process is managed by Google; they are funding the tool. But there are serious and genuine efforts made to “keep everybody happy,” and (for example) when Adobe split off to do an “openbakery” tool instead of Fontbakery, many folks involved viewed that as a failure of process and/or communication.

    And not EVERY font is expected to pass every test. For example, with Vassil Kateliev I do the fontification of Google’s icons as variable fonts, public version is called Material Symbols. There are a few standard checks in the Google profile that it won’t ever pass, and that is OK!

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