Blatant rip-off: a story

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Jasper de Waard
Jasper de Waard Posts: 653
in Type Business
Hi people!

I saw a van with a logo that looked like it used my Proza Display. I like it when my typefaces are used. I was happy.

I checked their website and saw that my typeface had been butchered. I emailed the company to ask who designed this. Not so happy.

Designer got back to me. Told me I was mistaken. Told me I could not even recognize my own typeface. He had used an entirely different font called Xillian. Uhoh...

I compared the outlines of Xillian and Proza Display Bold. Some letters perfectly overlapped, some with a few tweaks, and some quite different (e.g. M and N, the most ugly ones). Overall: clear rip-off.

I googled Xillian. Turns out this dude is actually pretending that he made a typeface. And he's even selling the 'full version' (whatever that means) for $50.

It's so ugly. So badly done. So pathetic.

What to do, what to do...

Xillian: https://www.behance.net/gallery/135423081/Xillian-Font-Free-Download
Proza Display: https://bureauroffa.com/about-prozadisplay

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  • Jasper de Waard
    Jasper de Waard Posts: 653
    Some examples with Xillian in the background and Proza Display Bold on the foreground. My guess is that the small differences in curvature or node placement are mostly due to rounding and scaling up/down. 
  • Adam Ladd
    Adam Ladd Posts: 276
    edited July 31
    And he's even selling the 'full version' (whatever that means) for $50.
    FYI: Couldn't find your Behance comment to counter this (latest at top is from 2024)... does the profile owner have the ability to delete?

    Regarding above... some of the comments state:

    "Beautiful font! Any update on when we can expect puncution? I'm using this for a brand but feeling limited! Thanks for all your work!"

    "Really nice font, thank you for sharing! Is there an available license with german letters (ä ö ü ß...)?"

    Perhaps this suggests some of what's been stripped away compared to their for-sale 'full version' of it? 
  • Ray Larabie
    Ray Larabie Posts: 1,463
    Perhaps this suggests some of what's been stripped away compared to their for-sale 'full version' of it? 
    I wonder if it was ripped from a subset webfont.
  • Igor Petrovic
    Igor Petrovic Posts: 327
    Have you tried reporting the Behance project?
  • Jasper de Waard
    Jasper de Waard Posts: 653
    edited July 31
    Adam Ladd said:
    And he's even selling the 'full version' (whatever that means) for $50.
    FYI: Couldn't find your Behance comment to counter this (latest at top is from 2024)... does the profile owner have the ability to delete?
    Oh wow, you're right. And @Igor Freiberger's comment was also deleted. Let's see how long @Igor Petrovic's comment survives... Anyway, thanks for the support Igors!

     Igor Petrovic said:
    Have you tried reporting the Behance project?
    I'm super busy at the moment, but when I have the time I'll probably compile some convincing images and report to Behance. Does anyone have experience with that?

    To be honest, I feel like there is very little to gain for me here. There's a failed designer somewhere who stole my work and did some terrible edits, got a few likes and maybe a few dollars. Maybe if I could ridicule him in a creative way that would bring me some satisfaction. Any ideas?

  • Daniel Calders
    Daniel Calders Posts: 19
    edited July 31
    You could also leave a comment on his LinkedIn post where he claims the font was "Carved by" him. I don't think he can delete your comment there.
  • michele casanova
    michele casanova Posts: 55
    Jasper de Waard said:
    Maybe if I could ridicule him in a creative way that would bring me some satisfaction. Any ideas?

    Perhaps a trivial idea: create a short animated gif with the title "Spot the Differences" and compare sentences like "CTRL+C, CTRL+V", "New name. Same DNA.", "Fonts have feelings too".

  • Christian Thalmann
    Christian Thalmann Posts: 2,032
    For the record, here is where you would report the copyright violation. There's a form for it.
  • Igor Freiberger
    Igor Freiberger Posts: 294
    The best hardware to create fonts:

  • Christian Thalmann
    Christian Thalmann Posts: 2,032
    That graphic uses Macbook aesthetics, but akshually Copy/Paste uses the Command key on the Mac... 🤔
  • Igor Petrovic
    Igor Petrovic Posts: 327
    I'll probably compile some convincing images and report to Behance. Does anyone have experience with that?
    I have never tried, but I guess it works decently since I do not see much trash on Behance, in general.
  • Jasper de Waard
    Jasper de Waard Posts: 653
    edited August 1
    Okay I think rather than reporting to Behance, I'll make a little campaign to ridicule Xillian. If I report there's nothing to ridicule anymore.

    I'm thinking that it could be an opportunity to educate the more general design public on the dangers of free fonts, and some markers of quality.

    If anyone has ever had something similar happen to them, please let me know and maybe we can collaborate :)

  • Jasper de Waard
    Jasper de Waard Posts: 653
    Christian Thalmann said:
    That graphic uses Macbook aesthetics, but akshually Copy/Paste uses the Command key on the Mac... 🤔
    Mac aesthetics have become mainstream, but the typeface on this keyboard is Microsoft's Segoe UI ;)
  • John Hudson
    John Hudson Posts: 3,454
    I would definitely report it, but if you want to make a learning opportunity out of it, make a bunch of screenshots of the offending font on Behance beforehand, and then write up the whole thing somewhere public.
  • Andreas Stötzner
    Andreas Stötzner Posts: 818
    it is a depressing story. But on the other hand, if this may give you some little 

    consolation, the guy has proven that he is the worm in this case, and you are the master. Someone once said (I forgot who it was): ‘a typeface isn’t a true typeface until it has been pinched’. – Despite all the trouble, feel honoured!

     
  • Christian Thalmann
    Christian Thalmann Posts: 2,032
    Ugh, this is even sloppier than I thought... the M alone!  :s And of course the lack of kerning...
  • Jasper de Waard
    Jasper de Waard Posts: 653
    edited August 1
    @John Hudson Yeah I was thinking on Behance. Why do you think I should report?

    @Andreas Stötzner Haha thanks, there might be some truth to that.

    @Christian Thalmann  Nevermind a lack of kerning. The spacing is all over the place!
  • John Hudson
    John Hudson Posts: 3,454
    Why do you think I should report?
    It’s important to let platforms know that you’re not okay with this kind of content and that it isn’t okay for it to be allowed to remain. Unfortunately, the nature of a lot of social content platforms means that this puts the onus on reporting, since there is no effective curation of content.
  • Christian Thalmann
    Christian Thalmann Posts: 2,032
    Yeah, I also think the reporting is more important than the ridicule. (Take care with the latter not to be perceived as the bad guy by superficial readers.)
  • Jasper de Waard
    Jasper de Waard Posts: 653
    Christian Thalmann said:
    Yeah, I also think the reporting is more important than the ridicule. (Take care with the latter not to be perceived as the bad guy by superficial readers.)
    Yeah you may be onto something with that last remark. To my shock, the designer* who used Xillian and then told me about it was entirely unconvinced by my comparison images (the ones I show above), and seemed content to just keep using Xillian.

    *Contrary to our Indian friend, this guy seems to have a thriving business. Mind you, I never asked him to change anything. I Just recommended that he no longer use Xillian because it's poorly made.

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