A Mythical DIN

Hello,

I am working on a small project that involves many graphic aspect of the music business. This, of course, includes logotypes and the letters that form them.

Sadly, I am stuck with an earlier iteration of the Rough Trade logo. There have been several of them, and most of them share a common ancestor, the DIN typeface, which is currently distorted to achieve that grungy, distressed look which I supposse is what passes for rebellion these days. (I love Rough Trade, by the way)

I tried to recreate the old logo through several visits to the most famous websites specializing in typography, but I cannot find any DIN Bold Condensed or a typeface that matches the logo I have in a faithful manner.

My question is: Does this DIN weight actually exist or is the logo just a custom job?

Thank you.

Comments

  • Ray LarabieRay Larabie Posts: 1,110
    edited March 18
    DIN? Wasn't the Rough Trade logo based on Helvetica Extra-Compressed with the bar chopped off the G? Are you talking about the rounded font they used for Mute records?
  • I must confess I've never seen the one you mention. Their current logo is actually a DIN iteration, distorted and distressed as it is. I would send you an example of the older logo if that wasn't against the rules of the website.
  • Ray LarabieRay Larabie Posts: 1,110
    edited March 19
    The R in the current logo isn't like DIN at all. I'm pretty sure that's Helvetica Extra-Compressed. Where do you read that it was DIN?


  • Vasily DraigoVasily Draigo Posts: 16
    edited March 19
    Most likely it is a custom lettering, made not from some font. 
    https://www.leofield.co.uk/Rough-Trade-Books
    "Designed with Craig Oldham, based upon original and historic DIY source material."

  • The R is the current logo isn't like DIN at all. I'm pretty sure that's Helvetica Extra-Compressed. Where do you read that it was DIN?


    I just spent some time doing some research and checking dozens of labels/stickers to see if I could trace the origin of the typeface. It turned out it was a heavily distressed DIN.
  • This is a part of a label. Circa early 80s. I cannot find the "trade" part right now as I have so many files that I'm going through at the moment.   : )
  • Yet another one, this time from a 1985 album by The Smiths, "Meat is Murder". My theory is that the original, non-distressed typeface used in the logo is actually a DIN Bold Condensed typeface that has been so disfigured it is almost unrecognizable.
  • Thanks for making your point. I appreciate and esteem your comments and suggestions.

    I am certainly not a professional typographer, but I reckon this image proves that DIN was at some point part of their graphic chart, no matter how distorted -or perhaps just swapped by another font-  it may have become during the years. By the way, the attached image is sourced from the labels of several official singles published by Rough Trade in the early Eighties.
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  • Thomas PhinneyThomas Phinney Posts: 2,095
    We are definitely seeing two different logos here.
  • Stephen ColesStephen Coles Posts: 901
    Maybe three. (The ‘E’ is different in the last two images.) BTW, Fiz has posted this on fontid.co which is maybe a more appropriate forum.
  • The basic idea of DIN or other types of Norm-Schrift is equal stroke width and simple geometry to allow handwriting or plotting with a round pen.

    See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lettering_guide to get a feeling why it must be that simple.

    Thus the bowl of R is a circle, the leg of R is straight and the G has no leg in DIN.

    Even variations by designers follow these principles:


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