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        <title>Type History — TypeDrawers</title>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2026 04:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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        <title>The Script Style of House Numbers</title>
        <link>https://typedrawers.com/discussion/5562/the-script-style-of-house-numbers</link>
        <pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2026 02:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Type History</category>
        <dc:creator>John Savard</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<div>I found this video on YouTube about the style of digits used for house numbers:</div><div><br /></div><div><a rel="nofollow" href="https://typedrawers.com/home/leaving?allowTrusted=1&amp;target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D6HgD3v1ASP4" title="Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HgD3v1ASP4">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HgD3v1ASP4</a></div><div><br /></div><div>and I felt that it would be of interest to many people here.</div><div>After watching the video more fully, though, I am not so sure. He doesn't really come to any conclusions, not being able to solve the mystery or even get very far towards doing so.</div><div>It is about numbers that look like this:</div><div><img alt="" src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/3s/5oh8jwxe6z8k.jpg" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/5019405/uploads/editor/3s/5oh8jwxe6z8k.jpg 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/5019405/uploads/editor/3s/5oh8jwxe6z8k.jpg 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/5019405/uploads/editor/3s/5oh8jwxe6z8k.jpg 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/5019405/uploads/editor/3s/5oh8jwxe6z8k.jpg 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/5019405/uploads/editor/3s/5oh8jwxe6z8k.jpg 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/5019405/uploads/editor/3s/5oh8jwxe6z8k.jpg 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/3s/5oh8jwxe6z8k.jpg" sizes="100vw" /></div><div>As a result of researching the subject after watching the video, when I see a house with this style of numbers... but not in the shiny silver color of nickel-plated aluminum, or the golden color of brass... but black, I won't be able to pass them without wondering, at least a tiny bit in a secret part of my soul... if those numbers are made of genuine Bower-Barff rustless iron!</div><div>Bower and Barff invented a process of coating iron with iron oxide to protect it from rust; it is one of the alternative materials listed in a catalog in which house numbers in this style appear.</div><br />]]>
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        <title>Historical examples of serpentine-shaped /one</title>
        <link>https://typedrawers.com/discussion/5578/historical-examples-of-serpentine-shaped-one</link>
        <pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2026 20:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Type History</category>
        <dc:creator>Craig Eliason</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<div>In embroidered samplers I've been studying, it was very common to make the figure /one with a "stroke" that curves a bit to the left at the bottom and to the right at the top (like a very compressed /S or an upright /integral). </div><div>In manuscripts and inscriptions I think I've seen /ones that look like /Js (that is, with a curve at the bottom), but I can't recall if I've seen this serpentine /one elsewhere. </div><div>Anyone know of examples <span>∫ -like /ones </span>in lettering or type?</div><br />]]>
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        <title>Stempel Garamond</title>
        <link>https://typedrawers.com/discussion/5553/stempel-garamond</link>
        <pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2026 15:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Type History</category>
        <dc:creator>John Savard</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<div>In researching a page discussing the roots of the American view of the Middle East situation, I happened to run across a mention of the historical significance of the poem <i>Lalla Rookh</i> by Thomas Moore.</div><div>In searching for the work itself, I found a 1930 illustrated edition which was set in a beautiful typeface which I took to be some form of Jenson.</div><div><img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/uj/lwnaluqdn8yn.jpg" alt="" title="Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/uj/lwnaluqdn8yn.jpg" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/5019405/uploads/editor/uj/lwnaluqdn8yn.jpg 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/5019405/uploads/editor/uj/lwnaluqdn8yn.jpg 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/5019405/uploads/editor/uj/lwnaluqdn8yn.jpg 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/5019405/uploads/editor/uj/lwnaluqdn8yn.jpg 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/5019405/uploads/editor/uj/lwnaluqdn8yn.jpg 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/5019405/uploads/editor/uj/lwnaluqdn8yn.jpg 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/uj/lwnaluqdn8yn.jpg" sizes="100vw" /></div><div>However, the shape of the capital W fairly shouted Garamond. Using Identifont, and going through the specific characteristics of several letters, I finally recieved the suggestion of Stempel Garamond. That the bowl of the capital P was not closed, as in Plantin, had made me feel that this was a typeface that could be distinguished in this way.</div><div>However, while a digitization that made the text bolder could make a Garamond look like a Jenson, the descenders of this typeface seem to me to be too short for Stempel Garamond. Perhaps it is some obscure attempt to harmonize Jenson with the demands of modern typography of that era.</div>]]>
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        <title>Alternate Helvetica /a?</title>
        <link>https://typedrawers.com/discussion/5445/alternate-helvetica-a</link>
        <pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2025 23:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Type History</category>
        <dc:creator>Evie S.</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<div>Lately, I've been documenting the typography of Chicago's public transportation, namely the CTA ‘L’. I'm used to a certain amount of variability, but I've noticed this bizarre variation on Helvetica's /a that omits the signature curve on the upper bowl.</div><div>The only solid date I can provide is that the “Priority Seating” sticker is likely original from 1992-1994—when the train (3200 series, train #3264) was built. Was this a common modification?</div><div>Also, it really appears to me that the sticker and “These facilities for passengers only…” are just part of the font, while the “Rapid Transit” appears custom-made (note the differences between the two appearances of /a).</div><div><img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/ht/vhg48jpd80p1.jpg" alt="" title="Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/ht/vhg48jpd80p1.jpg" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/5019405/uploads/editor/ht/vhg48jpd80p1.jpg 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/5019405/uploads/editor/ht/vhg48jpd80p1.jpg 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/5019405/uploads/editor/ht/vhg48jpd80p1.jpg 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/5019405/uploads/editor/ht/vhg48jpd80p1.jpg 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/5019405/uploads/editor/ht/vhg48jpd80p1.jpg 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/5019405/uploads/editor/ht/vhg48jpd80p1.jpg 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/ht/vhg48jpd80p1.jpg" sizes="100vw" /><img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/2x/rv0ixeyvbcfg.jpg" alt="" title="Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/2x/rv0ixeyvbcfg.jpg" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/5019405/uploads/editor/2x/rv0ixeyvbcfg.jpg 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/5019405/uploads/editor/2x/rv0ixeyvbcfg.jpg 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/5019405/uploads/editor/2x/rv0ixeyvbcfg.jpg 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/5019405/uploads/editor/2x/rv0ixeyvbcfg.jpg 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/5019405/uploads/editor/2x/rv0ixeyvbcfg.jpg 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/5019405/uploads/editor/2x/rv0ixeyvbcfg.jpg 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/2x/rv0ixeyvbcfg.jpg" sizes="100vw" /><img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/3c/71m09sf3y7vr.jpg" alt="" title="Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/3c/71m09sf3y7vr.jpg" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/5019405/uploads/editor/3c/71m09sf3y7vr.jpg 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/5019405/uploads/editor/3c/71m09sf3y7vr.jpg 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/5019405/uploads/editor/3c/71m09sf3y7vr.jpg 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/5019405/uploads/editor/3c/71m09sf3y7vr.jpg 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/5019405/uploads/editor/3c/71m09sf3y7vr.jpg 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/5019405/uploads/editor/3c/71m09sf3y7vr.jpg 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/3c/71m09sf3y7vr.jpg" sizes="100vw" /><br /></div>]]>
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        <title>CJK stroke-based technology by Bitstream in 2001</title>
        <link>https://typedrawers.com/discussion/5517/cjk-stroke-based-technology-by-bitstream-in-2001</link>
        <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2026 09:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Type History</category>
        <dc:creator>colourphilosophy</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[Hi there, I am a type researcher from China. I am working with the legendary Hong Kong type designer Sammy Or to write a biography of his career. <br /><br />He provided me some images showing that <span>In 2001 Bitstream Inc. invited him when he was living in Canada to develop a new gothic family for their latest CJK stroke-based technology at the time. <br /><br />Does anyone know more about the technology? Does anyone have contact of John Collins and Bob Thomas who were involved in the project.<img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/da/m9f4gwp94bvl.png" alt="" title="Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/da/m9f4gwp94bvl.png" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/5019405/uploads/editor/da/m9f4gwp94bvl.png 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/5019405/uploads/editor/da/m9f4gwp94bvl.png 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/5019405/uploads/editor/da/m9f4gwp94bvl.png 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/5019405/uploads/editor/da/m9f4gwp94bvl.png 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/5019405/uploads/editor/da/m9f4gwp94bvl.png 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/5019405/uploads/editor/da/m9f4gwp94bvl.png 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/da/m9f4gwp94bvl.png" sizes="100vw" /><img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/cj/riwa8rx5ekdk.png" alt="" title="Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/cj/riwa8rx5ekdk.png" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/5019405/uploads/editor/cj/riwa8rx5ekdk.png 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/5019405/uploads/editor/cj/riwa8rx5ekdk.png 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/5019405/uploads/editor/cj/riwa8rx5ekdk.png 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/5019405/uploads/editor/cj/riwa8rx5ekdk.png 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/5019405/uploads/editor/cj/riwa8rx5ekdk.png 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/5019405/uploads/editor/cj/riwa8rx5ekdk.png 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/cj/riwa8rx5ekdk.png" sizes="100vw" /></span>]]>
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        <title>Opti Fonts (Castcraft Software Inc.)</title>
        <link>https://typedrawers.com/discussion/4910/opti-fonts-castcraft-software-inc</link>
        <pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2023 15:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Type History</category>
        <dc:creator>J. Bridges</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[Why do people often refer to OPTI fonts as pirated fonts? Or clones? How are these fonts different from Fontsite or Softmaker that appear to be copies as well? I purchased many OPTI fonts back in the early 1990s from catalogs. <br /><br />Fontsite and Softmaker fonts are sold through Monotype websites so if they had an issue they would probably not do so.<br /><br />I have no beef with Fontsite or Softmaker. I purchased fonts from them too.<br /><br />Now days I try to stick to Adobe Fonts or purchase licenses from MyFonts.]]>
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        <title>Embroidery and typographic ornaments in the 16th century</title>
        <link>https://typedrawers.com/discussion/5509/embroidery-and-typographic-ornaments-in-the-16th-century</link>
        <pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2025 06:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Type History</category>
        <dc:creator>michele casanova</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<div>I'm trying to use 16th-century embroidery books to create typographic ornaments.</div><div><img alt="" src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/fz/nrnek6pupe7w.jpg" title="Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/fz/nrnek6pupe7w.jpg" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/5019405/uploads/editor/fz/nrnek6pupe7w.jpg 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/5019405/uploads/editor/fz/nrnek6pupe7w.jpg 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/5019405/uploads/editor/fz/nrnek6pupe7w.jpg 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/5019405/uploads/editor/fz/nrnek6pupe7w.jpg 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/5019405/uploads/editor/fz/nrnek6pupe7w.jpg 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/5019405/uploads/editor/fz/nrnek6pupe7w.jpg 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/fz/nrnek6pupe7w.jpg" sizes="100vw" /><br /></div><div>I found some texts here: <a rel="nofollow" href="https://typedrawers.com/home/leaving?allowTrusted=1&amp;target=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.org%2Fdetails%2Fearly-modern-embroidery-and-lace-pattern-books" title="Link: https://archive.org/details/early-modern-embroidery-and-lace-pattern-books">Archive</a></div>Are there any suggestions for other sources?<br />I imagine there are studies on the connection between typographic decorations and the spread of embroidery in the 16th century (perhaps about <a rel="nofollow" href="https://typedrawers.com/home/leaving?allowTrusted=1&amp;target=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.org%2Fdetails%2Ftagliente1528operabnfbtv1b105480520%2Fpage%2Fn17%2Fmode%2F2up" title="Link: https://archive.org/details/tagliente1528operabnfbtv1b105480520/page/n17/mode/2up">Giovanni Antonio Tagliente</a>).<br />]]>
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        <title>Examples of Greek capital ου ligature wanted</title>
        <link>https://typedrawers.com/discussion/5475/examples-of-greek-capital-%CE%BF%CF%85-ligature-wanted</link>
        <pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2025 10:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Type History</category>
        <dc:creator>Andreas Stötzner</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<div>It occurs in lettering, shop signs and on packaging. I wonder if someone has more examples of the Greek <i>capital</i> ου glyph at hand. Printed specimen would be especially interesting.</div><div>The Παπαδοπουλου brand is perhaps the best known today …</div><div><br /></div><div><img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/6j/32l1amrz6i11.png" alt="" title="Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/6j/32l1amrz6i11.png" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/5019405/uploads/editor/6j/32l1amrz6i11.png 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/5019405/uploads/editor/6j/32l1amrz6i11.png 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/5019405/uploads/editor/6j/32l1amrz6i11.png 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/5019405/uploads/editor/6j/32l1amrz6i11.png 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/5019405/uploads/editor/6j/32l1amrz6i11.png 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/5019405/uploads/editor/6j/32l1amrz6i11.png 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/6j/32l1amrz6i11.png" sizes="100vw" /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><br />]]>
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        <title>D.B. Updike’s Printing Types online</title>
        <link>https://typedrawers.com/discussion/5458/d-b-updike-s-printing-types-online</link>
        <pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2025 19:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Type History</category>
        <dc:creator>Kent Lew</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<div>For those type drawers who have not otherwise already heard about this amazing resource elsewhere, I thought I’d share this here.</div><div><br /></div><div><a rel="nofollow" href="https://typedrawers.com/home/leaving?allowTrusted=1&amp;target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.c82.net%2Fabout%2F">Nicholas Rougeux</a>, a very talented designer and data artist, has unveiled an online version of Daniel Berkeley Updike’s classic <i>Printing Types: Their History, Forms &amp; Use</i>.</div><div><br /></div><div><a rel="nofollow" href="https://typedrawers.com/home/leaving?allowTrusted=1&amp;target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.c82.net%2Fprinting-types%2F">https://www.c82.net/printing-types/</a></div><div><br /></div><div>This is *so* much more than just an online transcription. Instead of illustrating Updike’s examples with scans of reproductions from the book, Nicholas has tracked down literally hundreds of high-quality images of the actual specimens &amp; books from online collections &amp; archives and used those originals in place of Updike’s reproductions. Incredible.</div><div><br /></div><div>Of even greater value, in my opinion: for many of the instances where Updike references additional works but did not provide any illustration (for practical reasons, no doubt), Nicholas has also tracked down those examples in online collections and provided supplemental links. A real service! and a labor of love.</div><div><br /></div><div>I have a feeling I am going to be turning more often to this version, rather than turning around and reaching for the original volumes on my book shelf now. </div><div><br /></div><div>Go check it out.</div>]]>
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        <title>Lost - Found - Gone</title>
        <link>https://typedrawers.com/discussion/5437/lost-found-gone</link>
        <pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2025 13:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Type History</category>
        <dc:creator>James Montalbano</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[A few months ago a bookshelf collapsed in my studio and a pile of its contents sat on the floor for months. Finally going though them I found all of these keepsakes and memorabilia from past type conferences. Starting with Type87, the first one I ever attended. For a moment or two I marvelled at how many I had, and how long it had been since I looked at any of them. At first I thought I should hold on to them, but then realized none of it was interesting or important to me anymore. So I threw it all away. I feel so much better now.]]>
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        <title>What&#39;s this old metal arabic typeface?</title>
        <link>https://typedrawers.com/discussion/5406/whats-this-old-metal-arabic-typeface</link>
        <pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2025 04:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Type History</category>
        <dc:creator>Abdurrahman Hanif</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<img alt="" src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/ia/cukujt6hii8n.jpg" title="Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/ia/cukujt6hii8n.jpg" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/5019405/uploads/editor/ia/cukujt6hii8n.jpg 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/5019405/uploads/editor/ia/cukujt6hii8n.jpg 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/5019405/uploads/editor/ia/cukujt6hii8n.jpg 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/5019405/uploads/editor/ia/cukujt6hii8n.jpg 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/5019405/uploads/editor/ia/cukujt6hii8n.jpg 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/5019405/uploads/editor/ia/cukujt6hii8n.jpg 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/ia/cukujt6hii8n.jpg" sizes="100vw" /><br />I often see this arabic typeface in old printing, does anyone know what's this typeface name and what's the history?]]>
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        <title>History of medial decoration?</title>
        <link>https://typedrawers.com/discussion/5425/history-of-medial-decoration</link>
        <pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2025 18:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Type History</category>
        <dc:creator>Craig Eliason</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<div>I'm curious about the appearance of bumps or other decorations halfway up the stems of type. David Shields calls them medial or midstem decorations and notes them in the context of wood types in the Tuscan style. They are exploited in a good number of chromatic wood types. Other features of Tuscan style like bifurcated serifs can be traced many centuries back in writing, but I wonder what precedents there are (in writing, type, or other lettering) for the medial decorations. </div><div>Here's a Figgins specimen from the 1st half of the 19c showing medial ornament independent of "Tuscan" style:</div><div><img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/ox/1wmvygakvybz.png" alt="" title="Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/ox/1wmvygakvybz.png" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/5019405/uploads/editor/ox/1wmvygakvybz.png 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/5019405/uploads/editor/ox/1wmvygakvybz.png 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/5019405/uploads/editor/ox/1wmvygakvybz.png 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/5019405/uploads/editor/ox/1wmvygakvybz.png 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/5019405/uploads/editor/ox/1wmvygakvybz.png 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/5019405/uploads/editor/ox/1wmvygakvybz.png 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/ox/1wmvygakvybz.png" sizes="100vw" />Are there earlier types like this? Do earlier "writing masters" show experiments like this? </div><div>(My point of departure are embroidered letters, so I do know about those, which easily predate wood type and Figgins.)</div>]]>
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        <title>The Beneventan Memory</title>
        <link>https://typedrawers.com/discussion/5414/the-beneventan-memory</link>
        <pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2025 21:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Type History</category>
        <dc:creator>John Hudson</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[This week, I published a new/old article that has been almost twenty years in the making: <i><a rel="nofollow" href="https://typedrawers.com/home/leaving?allowTrusted=1&amp;target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tiro.com%2Farticles%2Fbeneventan">The Beneventan Memory</a></i>, a meditation on the way technological change filters our memories of past practices, including ways of writing, and reflections on a workshop in which MATD students adapted a neglected historical script to new typographic styles.<br /><br /><img alt="" src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/95/o8xf3zcjflyy.png" title="Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/95/o8xf3zcjflyy.png" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/5019405/uploads/editor/95/o8xf3zcjflyy.png 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/5019405/uploads/editor/95/o8xf3zcjflyy.png 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/5019405/uploads/editor/95/o8xf3zcjflyy.png 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/5019405/uploads/editor/95/o8xf3zcjflyy.png 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/5019405/uploads/editor/95/o8xf3zcjflyy.png 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/5019405/uploads/editor/95/o8xf3zcjflyy.png 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/95/o8xf3zcjflyy.png" sizes="100vw" /><br /><img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/4r/pk9espgnxrsj.png" alt="" title="Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/4r/pk9espgnxrsj.png" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/5019405/uploads/editor/4r/pk9espgnxrsj.png 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/5019405/uploads/editor/4r/pk9espgnxrsj.png 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/5019405/uploads/editor/4r/pk9espgnxrsj.png 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/5019405/uploads/editor/4r/pk9espgnxrsj.png 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/5019405/uploads/editor/4r/pk9espgnxrsj.png 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/5019405/uploads/editor/4r/pk9espgnxrsj.png 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/4r/pk9espgnxrsj.png" sizes="100vw" /><br /><br />With thanks to the workshop participants: Dominic Stanley, Hidetaka Yamasaki, Kevin King, Kimmy Kirkwood, Lee Yuen-Rapati, Sérgio Martins, and Tamara Pilz.]]>
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        <title>Unusual ligatures</title>
        <link>https://typedrawers.com/discussion/5412/unusual-ligatures</link>
        <pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2025 14:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Type History</category>
        <dc:creator>michele casanova</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<div>Browsing through <a rel="nofollow" href="https://typedrawers.com/home/leaving?allowTrusted=1&amp;target=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FBartolomeo_Sanvito">Bartolomeo Sanvito</a>'s online manuscripts, I noticed some unusual ligatures (at least unusual for me).<br />Has anyone ever seen them in a typeface?<br />They seem interesting for a calligraphic font. There's also the "ancient" version of the question mark.</div><div><br /></div><div><img alt="" src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/nj/2vu46nappchr.jpg" title="Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/nj/2vu46nappchr.jpg" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/5019405/uploads/editor/nj/2vu46nappchr.jpg 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/5019405/uploads/editor/nj/2vu46nappchr.jpg 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/5019405/uploads/editor/nj/2vu46nappchr.jpg 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/5019405/uploads/editor/nj/2vu46nappchr.jpg 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/5019405/uploads/editor/nj/2vu46nappchr.jpg 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/5019405/uploads/editor/nj/2vu46nappchr.jpg 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/nj/2vu46nappchr.jpg" sizes="100vw" /></div><div>"&amp; <u>ho</u>r son..." / "Ri<u>ſp</u>osi"</div><div>"Cri<u>ſp</u>o" / "&amp; fru<u>tt</u>i" / "colpa<u>?</u>"</div>]]>
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        <title>Tironian et ⁊ in Garamond</title>
        <link>https://typedrawers.com/discussion/5399/tironian-et-in-garamond</link>
        <pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2025 17:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Type History</category>
        <dc:creator>michele casanova</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<div>I'm adding some characters to <i>Garamontio</i> (experimental fork of <i>EB Garamond</i>) for transcribing medieval texts (e.g., r rotunda A75B, -rum A75D, con- A76F, d insular A77A).<br />I'm unsure, however, about the best shape for Tironian <i>et</i> (204A).</div><div>In Jan Tschichold's <i><a rel="nofollow" href="https://typedrawers.com/home/leaving?allowTrusted=1&amp;target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mgh-bibliothek.de%2Fdokumente%2Fb%2Fb044330.pdf" title="Link: https://www.mgh-bibliothek.de/dokumente/b/b044330.pdf">Formenwandlungen der &amp;-Zeichen</a></i> there's a table with various versions of Tironian et (p. 13), and I've chosen a shape (similar to n. 70) that seemed most suitable for a Garamond.</div><div>Are there any suggestions for a more appropriate version? Thanks.</div><div><br /></div><div><img alt="" src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/qx/rfb6knh841xt.jpg" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/5019405/uploads/editor/qx/rfb6knh841xt.jpg 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/5019405/uploads/editor/qx/rfb6knh841xt.jpg 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/5019405/uploads/editor/qx/rfb6knh841xt.jpg 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/5019405/uploads/editor/qx/rfb6knh841xt.jpg 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/5019405/uploads/editor/qx/rfb6knh841xt.jpg 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/5019405/uploads/editor/qx/rfb6knh841xt.jpg 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/qx/rfb6knh841xt.jpg" sizes="100vw" /><br /></div><div><br /></div><div>Example of the shape n. 70 (year 1459):</div><div><br /></div><img alt="" src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/vc/wvcyba4b7i1v.jpg" title="Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/vc/wvcyba4b7i1v.jpg" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/5019405/uploads/editor/vc/wvcyba4b7i1v.jpg 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/5019405/uploads/editor/vc/wvcyba4b7i1v.jpg 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/5019405/uploads/editor/vc/wvcyba4b7i1v.jpg 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/5019405/uploads/editor/vc/wvcyba4b7i1v.jpg 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/5019405/uploads/editor/vc/wvcyba4b7i1v.jpg 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/5019405/uploads/editor/vc/wvcyba4b7i1v.jpg 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/vc/wvcyba4b7i1v.jpg" sizes="100vw" /><br />]]>
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        <title>Jim Parkinson&#39;s obit in the NYT</title>
        <link>https://typedrawers.com/discussion/5394/jim-parkinsons-obit-in-the-nyt</link>
        <pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2025 11:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Type History</category>
        <dc:creator>James Montalbano</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<a rel="nofollow" href="https://typedrawers.com/home/leaving?allowTrusted=1&amp;target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2025%2F07%2F06%2Farts%2Fdesign%2Fjim-parkinson-dead.html%3Funlocked_article_code%3D1.U08.VPhK.x_mDQTuGuKZn%26smid%3Durl-share">https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/06/arts/design/jim-parkinson-dead.html?unlocked_article_code=1.U08.VPhK.x_mDQTuGuKZn&amp;smid=url-share</a><br />]]>
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        <title>Type Books on Ebay</title>
        <link>https://typedrawers.com/discussion/5378/type-books-on-ebay</link>
        <pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2025 14:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Type History</category>
        <dc:creator>PabloImpallari</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[Hi guys,<br />A nice book just went up on ebay for just $65.<br />I wont be buying it this time, but maybe some of you may be interested<br /><br />1930 A SELECTION OF TYPES FROM THE SIX CENTURIES IN USE, JOH. ENSCHEDE<br /><a rel="nofollow" href="https://typedrawers.com/home/leaving?allowTrusted=1&amp;target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2F336013205572%3Fmkevt%3D1%26mkpid%3D0%26emsid%3De11021.m164380.l178264%26mkcid%3D7%26ch%3Dosgood%26euid%3D8c83d457bd8b4ac5898cb20e8fecc7f0%26bu%3D44233379143%26ut%3DRU%26exe%3D0%26ext%3D0%26osub%3D-1%257E1%26crd%3D20250614075109%26segname%3D11021%26recoId%3D336013205572%26recoPos%3D1">https://www.ebay.com/itm/336013205572?mkevt=1&amp;amp;mkpid=0&amp;amp;emsid=e11021.m164380.l178264&amp;amp;mkcid=7&amp;amp;ch=osgood&amp;amp;euid=8c83d457bd8b4ac5898cb20e8fecc7f0&amp;amp;bu=44233379143&amp;amp;ut=RU&amp;amp;exe=0&amp;amp;ext=0&amp;amp;osub=-1~1&amp;amp;crd=20250614075109&amp;amp;segname=11021&amp;amp;recoId=336013205572&amp;amp;recoPos=1</a>]]>
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        <title>Geometric construction of uppercase Roman letters</title>
        <link>https://typedrawers.com/discussion/5359/geometric-construction-of-uppercase-roman-letters</link>
        <pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2025 06:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Type History</category>
        <dc:creator>michele casanova</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<div>I am looking for treatises from the 15th and 16th centuries that provide instructions for geometrically constructing the capital letters of the alphabet. I have found these sources.</div><div><ul><li>Online manuscripts (15th century):<ol><li><a rel="nofollow" href="https://typedrawers.com/home/leaving?allowTrusted=1&amp;target=https%3A%2F%2Fdigi.vatlib.it%2Fview%2FMSS_Vat.lat.6852" title="Link: https://typedrawers.com/home/leaving?allowTrusted=1&amp;target=https%3A%2F%2Fdigi.vatlib.it%2Fview%2FMSS_Vat.lat.6852">Alphabetum Romanum</a> (<a rel="nofollow" href="https://typedrawers.com/home/leaving?allowTrusted=1&amp;target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.digitale-sammlungen.de%2Fen%2Fview%2Fbsb11037763%3Fpage%3D264%2C265">article</a>)</li><li><a rel="nofollow" href="https://typedrawers.com/home/leaving?allowTrusted=1&amp;target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.digitale-sammlungen.de%2Fen%2Fview%2Fbsb00103188%3Fpage%3D2%2C3" title="Link: https://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/en/view/bsb00103188?page=2,3">Laskaris, Iōannēs: Johannis Lascaris Rhyndaceni ad Petrum Medicis ars litteraria sive de literis graecis, latinis, hebraicis</a></li><li><a rel="nofollow" href="https://typedrawers.com/home/leaving?allowTrusted=1&amp;target=https%3A%2F%2Fcollections.newberry.org%2Fasset-management%2F2KXJ8ZS4GLZNA" title="Link: https://collections.newberry.org/asset-management/2KXJ8ZS4GLZNA">Alphabet : forms and proportions of Roman capital letters</a> [This manuscript seems particularly interesting]</li></ol></li><li>Printed books:<ol><li>Damianus Moyllus, <i>Alfabeto</i>, Parma, 1483. (<a rel="nofollow" href="https://typedrawers.com/home/leaving?allowTrusted=1&amp;target=https%3A%2F%2Fcatalog.hathitrust.org%2FRecord%2F102265690">facsimile</a>)</li><li>Luca Pacioli, <i><a rel="nofollow" href="https://typedrawers.com/home/leaving?allowTrusted=1&amp;target=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.org%2Fdetails%2Fdivinaproportion00paci%2Fpage%2Fn138%2Fmode%2F1up" title="Link: https://archive.org/details/divinaproportion00paci/page/n138/mode/1up">De divina proportione</a></i>, Paganinus de Paganinis, Venezia, 1509 (<a rel="nofollow" href="https://typedrawers.com/home/leaving?allowTrusted=1&amp;target=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.org%2Fdetails%2Fdiviproporti00paci%2Fpage%2F352%2Fmode%2F2up">article</a>)</li><li>Sigismondo Fanti, <i><a rel="nofollow" href="https://typedrawers.com/home/leaving?allowTrusted=1&amp;target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.loc.gov%2Fresource%2Frbc0001.2010rosen0770%2F%3Fsp%3D135" title="Link: https://www.loc.gov/resource/rbc0001.2010rosen0770/?sp=135">Theorica et pratica de modo scribendi fabricandiqve omnes litterarvm species</a></i>, Venezia, 1514</li><li>Francesco Torniello, <i>Opera del modo de fare le littere maiuscole antique</i>, Milano, 1517.</li><li>Albrecht Dürer, <a rel="nofollow" href="https://typedrawers.com/home/leaving?allowTrusted=1&amp;target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.digitale-sammlungen.de%2Fde%2Fview%2Fbsb00084858%3Fpage%3D108"><i>Underweysung der Messung</i></a>, 1525.</li><li>Giovanni Battista Verini, <i><a rel="nofollow" href="https://typedrawers.com/home/leaving?allowTrusted=1&amp;target=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.org%2Fdetails%2Fincipitliberprim00veri%2Fpage%2Fn83%2Fmode%2F2up">Elementorum litterarum</a></i>, 1526.</li><li>Geoffroy Tory, <i><a rel="nofollow" href="https://typedrawers.com/home/leaving?allowTrusted=1&amp;target=https%3A%2F%2Fgallica.bnf.fr%2Fark%3A%2F12148%2Fbtv1b86095803%2Ff89.item">Champ fleury</a></i>, 1529.</li><li>Ferdinando Ruano, <i><a rel="nofollow" href="https://typedrawers.com/home/leaving?allowTrusted=1&amp;target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.internetculturale.it%2Fjmms%2Ficcuviewer%2Ficcu.jsp%3Fteca%3DMagTeca%2B-%2BICCU%26id%3Doai%3Awww.internetculturale.sbn.it%2FTeca%3A20%3ANT0000%3ARMLE036742" title="Link: https://typedrawers.com/home/leaving?allowTrusted=1&amp;target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.internetculturale.it%2Fjmms%2Ficcuviewer%2Ficcu.jsp%3Fteca%3DMagTeca%2B-%2BICCU%26id%3Doai%3Awww.internetculturale.sbn.it%2FTeca%3A20%3ANT0000%3ARMLE036742">Sette alphabeti di varie lettere</a></i>, 1554.</li><li>Vespasiano Amphiareo, <i><a rel="nofollow" href="https://typedrawers.com/home/leaving?allowTrusted=1&amp;target=https%3A%2F%2Fdigital.ub.umu.se%2Frelation%2F518133" title="Link: https://typedrawers.com/home/leaving?allowTrusted=1&amp;target=https%3A%2F%2Fdigital.ub.umu.se%2Frelation%2F518133">Opera di frate Vespasiano Amphiareo da Ferrara dell'ordine minore conventvale, nella qvale s'insegna a scrivere varie sorti di lettere</a></i>, 1564 (<a rel="nofollow" href="https://typedrawers.com/home/leaving?allowTrusted=1&amp;target=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.org%2Fdetails%2Foperadifratevesp00vesp%2Fpage%2Fn3%2Fmode%2F2up" title="Link: https://archive.org/details/operadifratevesp00vesp/page/n3/mode/2up">1572 copy</a>) [There are no indications on how to construct the letters but it seems to refer to a square for the construction]</li></ol></li></ul></div><div>Do you have any suggestions on where to find more information?</div>]]>
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        <title>Evert Bloemsma and FF Balance</title>
        <link>https://typedrawers.com/discussion/4827/evert-bloemsma-and-ff-balance</link>
        <pubDate>Sun, 25 Jun 2023 00:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Type History</category>
        <dc:creator>elliott</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[Hi everyone,<br /><br />A short while ago I discovered FF Balance by Evert Bloemsma and I've become a bit obsessed. As someone relatively new to type... it sort of shocked me. It seems to break so many "rules" while still functioning fairly well as a text face. What a terrible loss that Bloemsma is no longer with us.<br /><br />I've since spent considerable time digging around for any information – Bloemsma is discussed in Middendorp's <i>Dutch Type</i>, but aside from that there isn't a whole lot – a few articles here and there, including an essay by Bloemsma in <i>Letters: een bloemlezing over typografie</i> (which I actually purchased and Google Translated) and an interview in <i>5pts.</i> published buy Underware.<br /><br />There was apparently a specimen:<br /> <br /><a rel="nofollow" href="https://typedrawers.com/home/leaving?allowTrusted=1&amp;target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.behance.net%2Fgallery%2F7809479%2FFF-Balance-specimen">https://www.behance.net/gallery/7809479/FF-Balance-specimen</a><br /><br />... which I'd love to get a better look at, but I wouldn't know where to begin searching for such a thing.<br /><br />So I'm asking the community here: has anyone have any more information about this? Does anyone know where I could get a more thorough look at the text of the specimen? I wonder if there's archival material regarding the typeface's development – might someone have access to it? Maybe it's in a library somewhere?<br />]]>
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        <title>Can you help identify this typeface?</title>
        <link>https://typedrawers.com/discussion/5340/can-you-help-identify-this-typeface</link>
        <pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2025 20:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Type History</category>
        <dc:creator>Brandon Buerkle</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[Hello,<br /><br />After looking through my (admittedly limited) type specimen books, and trying What the Font and Identifont to no avail, I’ve decided I can beg the experts for help.<br /><br />Attached is a spread from a 1935 edition of <i>Childcraft</i>. I’ve identified the headings (Kabel Medium), but can’t figure out what the entries are set with. This spread contains every letter but Q, j, and z.<br /><br />Thanks for any help you can give.<br /><br /><img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/hj/gygf7bankadv.jpg" alt="" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/5019405/uploads/editor/hj/gygf7bankadv.jpg 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/5019405/uploads/editor/hj/gygf7bankadv.jpg 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/5019405/uploads/editor/hj/gygf7bankadv.jpg 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/5019405/uploads/editor/hj/gygf7bankadv.jpg 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/5019405/uploads/editor/hj/gygf7bankadv.jpg 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/5019405/uploads/editor/hj/gygf7bankadv.jpg 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/hj/gygf7bankadv.jpg" sizes="100vw" /><br />]]>
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        <title>1960’s artist’s logotype – handdrawn or typeset? – MACK</title>
        <link>https://typedrawers.com/discussion/5326/1960-s-artist-s-logotype-handdrawn-or-typeset-mack</link>
        <pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2025 17:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Type History</category>
        <dc:creator>JLA</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[Hi there,<br /><br /><div>I’ve been trying to find out whether the logotype used by this artist by the end of the 1950s and in the 1960s, Heinz Mack, is a handdrawn logotype or typeset, and if it’s the latter, which font has been used.</div><div><br /></div><div>Does anyone recognize the exact typeface here?</div><div><br /></div><div><a rel="nofollow" href="https://typedrawers.com/home/leaving?allowTrusted=1&amp;target=https%3A%2F%2Femuseum.duesseldorf.de%2Finternal%2Fmedia%2Fdispatcher%2F164215%2Ffull">https://emuseum.duesseldorf.de/internal/media/dispatcher/164215/full</a></div><br /><div>The MACK logotype was used throughout multiple print media and in different sizes, all with otherwise different typefaces (mostly Futura), and occasionally on the windows of galleries etc. It wouldn’t be too difficult to draw this; then again, it looks oddly familiar with the small counter, low bar of the /A, and missing overshoot of the /C, like it was meant to be typeset in large sizes with no line spacing.</div><div><br />I tried my books as well as whatfontis, whatthefont, and identifont to find an exact match, all to no avail. <br /><br />Edit: If it was a logotype and not typeset, how would it have been realized in different media during that period? They wouldn’t have cast this in lead or cut in wood for printing, would they? For the windows, a skilled signpainter probably copied it from the printed original—or was there another technique available during that time?</div>]]>
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        <title>Ornamented 1063</title>
        <link>https://typedrawers.com/discussion/5302/ornamented-1063</link>
        <pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2025 01:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Type History</category>
        <dc:creator>John Savard</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<div>I had encountered a statement that the oldest known faux-Chinese typeface was the one now known as Mandarin, offered under the name "Chinese" in the Cleveland Type Foundry specimen book of 1883.</div><div>Well, in the Bruce type specimen of 1882, I found this:</div><div><img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/n0/y55s227c2cb1.jpg" alt="" title="Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/n0/y55s227c2cb1.jpg" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/5019405/uploads/editor/n0/y55s227c2cb1.jpg 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/5019405/uploads/editor/n0/y55s227c2cb1.jpg 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/5019405/uploads/editor/n0/y55s227c2cb1.jpg 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/5019405/uploads/editor/n0/y55s227c2cb1.jpg 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/5019405/uploads/editor/n0/y55s227c2cb1.jpg 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/5019405/uploads/editor/n0/y55s227c2cb1.jpg 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/n0/y55s227c2cb1.jpg" sizes="100vw" /></div><div>While the name is not indicative, the sample text shows what they had in mind.</div>]]>
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        <title>Historical background of De Vinne, Howland and other related late 19th century american typefaces</title>
        <link>https://typedrawers.com/discussion/3152/historical-background-of-de-vinne-howland-and-other-related-late-19th-century-american-typefaces</link>
        <pubDate>Sat, 27 Apr 2019 09:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Type History</category>
        <dc:creator>Claudio Piccinini</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>As most of those I am acquainted with probably know, athough I never stopped being involved and passionate about it, de facto I have been away from actual typeface design for some years.</p>&#13;
<p>Now I have decided to resume (or at least to try to) work on typefaces, with a certain continuity, despite the limitations of time and due to family reasons.</p>&#13;
<p>This goes both for digital versions of lead typefaces which I am interested in and for my own designs, of course little by little, and taking all the time needed.</p>&#13;
<p>For a start, and to warm up again in drawing letter forms carefully, I’ve been cultivating interest in digital versions of lead typefaces I would like to use myself. Especially american typefaces from the late nineteenth century, in particular in the vein derived and/or related to Gustave F. Schroeder’s De Vinne.<br /></p>&#13;
<p>Now, to the point: besides gathering further type specimens, I would need to contextualize the history of these typefaces and the historical unfolding of the foundries which released them. I have seen there are a few resources providing historical information on them, but I would like to ask to the experts here which would be the most accurate (but also concise, as I am not doing a proper research to write about them, just to understand better their spirit in context) source for this kind of research.<br /></p>&#13;
<p>I am interested in particular in John F. Cumming’s Howland and in the whole De Vinne family (and derivates).</p>&#13;
<p>For example, I see that apparently Howland was released in 1892, before being incorporated in ATF's catalog. But De Vinne’s patent is from 1893, so I believe it’s unlikely as Howland apparently was designed as an alternative to De Vinne Condensed as a titling face. Is there further information on this?</p>&#13;
<p>Many thanks in advance. Any contribution, even minimal, will be greatly appreciated. And if I can reciprocate in some way, I'll be happy to do so. :-)</p><br />]]>
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        <title>Panchanan - A project for digitalisation of first Bengali typeface created by Panchanan Karmakar</title>
        <link>https://typedrawers.com/discussion/5276/panchanan-a-project-for-digitalisation-of-first-bengali-typeface-created-by-panchanan-karmakar</link>
        <pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2025 18:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Type History</category>
        <dc:creator>mitradranirban</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p><a rel="nofollow" href="https://typedrawers.com/home/leaving?allowTrusted=1&amp;target=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FPanchanan_Karmakar">Panchanan Karmakar (Mallick)</a> (died c. 1804) was an Indian Bengali inventor, born at Tribeni, Hooghly, Bengal Presidency, British India. He assisted Sir Charles Wilkins in creating the first Bangla typeface in 1778. It was used for printing A Grammar of Bengali Language by Nathaniel Brassey Halhed.</p><p>Later in 1799 he left East India Company Press and joined Missionary Press in Serampore, where along with Bengali he also developed type in 14 languages, including Arabic, Persian, Marathi, Telegu, Burmese and Chinese. He made the Serampore Missionary press the largest multiscript foundry in Asia in early 19th Century. He also trained the next generation of punch-cutters, pioneering the typographic legacy in India.</p><p>I created a open source project for creating a OpenType version  of the world's first Bangla Typeface - as a  tribute to Panchanan Karmakar .</p><p><img alt="" src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/e3/387g9uhn91f2.png" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/5019405/uploads/editor/e3/387g9uhn91f2.png 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/5019405/uploads/editor/e3/387g9uhn91f2.png 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/5019405/uploads/editor/e3/387g9uhn91f2.png 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/5019405/uploads/editor/e3/387g9uhn91f2.png 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/5019405/uploads/editor/e3/387g9uhn91f2.png 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/5019405/uploads/editor/e3/387g9uhn91f2.png 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/e3/387g9uhn91f2.png" sizes="100vw" /><br /></p><p>The font file is available at<a rel="nofollow" href="https://typedrawers.com/home/leaving?allowTrusted=1&amp;target=https%3A%2F%2Ffonts.atipra.in%2Fpanchanan.html"> its website</a> and source is available at  <a rel="nofollow" href="https://typedrawers.com/home/leaving?allowTrusted=1&amp;target=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fmitradranirban%2Fpanchanan">our github page </a></p><p><br /></p><h1 data-id="things-i-learned-while-working-on-this-project">Things I learned while working on this project</h1><p>- <span>When I use Bengali opaque conjuncts (like ka-ta <img alt="" src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/au/76ytlr4qcp5y.png" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/5019405/uploads/editor/au/76ytlr4qcp5y.png 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/5019405/uploads/editor/au/76ytlr4qcp5y.png 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/5019405/uploads/editor/au/76ytlr4qcp5y.png 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/5019405/uploads/editor/au/76ytlr4qcp5y.png 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/5019405/uploads/editor/au/76ytlr4qcp5y.png 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/5019405/uploads/editor/au/76ytlr4qcp5y.png 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/au/76ytlr4qcp5y.png" sizes="100vw" /> ) along with alternate transparent conjuncts  (like <img alt="" src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/6s/ii9jgwwlj5o5.png" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/5019405/uploads/editor/6s/ii9jgwwlj5o5.png 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/5019405/uploads/editor/6s/ii9jgwwlj5o5.png 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/5019405/uploads/editor/6s/ii9jgwwlj5o5.png 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/5019405/uploads/editor/6s/ii9jgwwlj5o5.png 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/5019405/uploads/editor/6s/ii9jgwwlj5o5.png 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/5019405/uploads/editor/6s/ii9jgwwlj5o5.png 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/6s/ii9jgwwlj5o5.png" sizes="100vw" /> ) , </span>and vertically stacked conjuncts like ma-pa <img alt="" src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/3t/wap92lv8vc2e.png" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/5019405/uploads/editor/3t/wap92lv8vc2e.png 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/5019405/uploads/editor/3t/wap92lv8vc2e.png 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/5019405/uploads/editor/3t/wap92lv8vc2e.png 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/5019405/uploads/editor/3t/wap92lv8vc2e.png 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/5019405/uploads/editor/3t/wap92lv8vc2e.png 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/5019405/uploads/editor/3t/wap92lv8vc2e.png 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/3t/wap92lv8vc2e.png" sizes="100vw" /> as well as horizontal or “half form – full form” conjuncts like <img alt="" src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/7z/bfekrrgvnlva.png" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/5019405/uploads/editor/7z/bfekrrgvnlva.png 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/5019405/uploads/editor/7z/bfekrrgvnlva.png 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/5019405/uploads/editor/7z/bfekrrgvnlva.png 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/5019405/uploads/editor/7z/bfekrrgvnlva.png 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/5019405/uploads/editor/7z/bfekrrgvnlva.png 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/5019405/uploads/editor/7z/bfekrrgvnlva.png 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/7z/bfekrrgvnlva.png" sizes="100vw" /> in the same typeface, it is not an aberration, or 21st Century simplification , but a part of almost 250 year old Typographic legacy of Bengali script.</p><p><span>- Some letters like nna <img alt="" src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/39/rx4q6emy0lqp.png" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/5019405/uploads/editor/39/rx4q6emy0lqp.png 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/5019405/uploads/editor/39/rx4q6emy0lqp.png 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/5019405/uploads/editor/39/rx4q6emy0lqp.png 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/5019405/uploads/editor/39/rx4q6emy0lqp.png 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/5019405/uploads/editor/39/rx4q6emy0lqp.png 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/5019405/uploads/editor/39/rx4q6emy0lqp.png 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/39/rx4q6emy0lqp.png" sizes="100vw" /> and la <img alt="" src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/dr/j9wmdk4vpnv5.png" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/5019405/uploads/editor/dr/j9wmdk4vpnv5.png 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/5019405/uploads/editor/dr/j9wmdk4vpnv5.png 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/5019405/uploads/editor/dr/j9wmdk4vpnv5.png 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/5019405/uploads/editor/dr/j9wmdk4vpnv5.png 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/5019405/uploads/editor/dr/j9wmdk4vpnv5.png 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/5019405/uploads/editor/dr/j9wmdk4vpnv5.png 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/dr/j9wmdk4vpnv5.png" sizes="100vw" /> have exchanged there shapes with time, and can be confusing to modern day Bengali reader.</span></p><p>- Some conjuncts were so different looking, that I would not have been able to decipher them unless roman transliteration was accompanying them.</p><p><span>Examples include ja-nya  ( <img alt="" src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/ti/hsxb4io7edi0.png" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/5019405/uploads/editor/ti/hsxb4io7edi0.png 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/5019405/uploads/editor/ti/hsxb4io7edi0.png 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/5019405/uploads/editor/ti/hsxb4io7edi0.png 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/5019405/uploads/editor/ti/hsxb4io7edi0.png 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/5019405/uploads/editor/ti/hsxb4io7edi0.png 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/5019405/uploads/editor/ti/hsxb4io7edi0.png 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/ti/hsxb4io7edi0.png" sizes="100vw" />), ka-ukaar ( <img alt="" src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/mp/6p6pven3dr09.png" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/5019405/uploads/editor/mp/6p6pven3dr09.png 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/5019405/uploads/editor/mp/6p6pven3dr09.png 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/5019405/uploads/editor/mp/6p6pven3dr09.png 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/5019405/uploads/editor/mp/6p6pven3dr09.png 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/5019405/uploads/editor/mp/6p6pven3dr09.png 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/5019405/uploads/editor/mp/6p6pven3dr09.png 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/mp/6p6pven3dr09.png" sizes="100vw" />) , ma-ukaar ( <img alt="" src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/i4/xestpwxox8m8.png" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/5019405/uploads/editor/i4/xestpwxox8m8.png 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/5019405/uploads/editor/i4/xestpwxox8m8.png 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/5019405/uploads/editor/i4/xestpwxox8m8.png 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/5019405/uploads/editor/i4/xestpwxox8m8.png 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/5019405/uploads/editor/i4/xestpwxox8m8.png 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/5019405/uploads/editor/i4/xestpwxox8m8.png 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/i4/xestpwxox8m8.png" sizes="100vw" />) , ta-ya( <img alt="" src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/lt/hgf596uu49bi.png" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/5019405/uploads/editor/lt/hgf596uu49bi.png 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/5019405/uploads/editor/lt/hgf596uu49bi.png 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/5019405/uploads/editor/lt/hgf596uu49bi.png 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/5019405/uploads/editor/lt/hgf596uu49bi.png 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/5019405/uploads/editor/lt/hgf596uu49bi.png 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/5019405/uploads/editor/lt/hgf596uu49bi.png 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/lt/hgf596uu49bi.png" sizes="100vw" />) , ha-ya ( <img alt="" src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/t3/rgpn0n82cl5b.png" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/5019405/uploads/editor/t3/rgpn0n82cl5b.png 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/5019405/uploads/editor/t3/rgpn0n82cl5b.png 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/5019405/uploads/editor/t3/rgpn0n82cl5b.png 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/5019405/uploads/editor/t3/rgpn0n82cl5b.png 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/5019405/uploads/editor/t3/rgpn0n82cl5b.png 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/5019405/uploads/editor/t3/rgpn0n82cl5b.png 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/t3/rgpn0n82cl5b.png" sizes="100vw" />).</span></p><p><span>- That like Arabic, some Bengali conjuncts like ssa-ukaar <img alt="" src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/ix/7pm53o801yrb.png" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/5019405/uploads/editor/ix/7pm53o801yrb.png 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/5019405/uploads/editor/ix/7pm53o801yrb.png 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/5019405/uploads/editor/ix/7pm53o801yrb.png 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/5019405/uploads/editor/ix/7pm53o801yrb.png 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/5019405/uploads/editor/ix/7pm53o801yrb.png 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/5019405/uploads/editor/ix/7pm53o801yrb.png 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/ix/7pm53o801yrb.png" sizes="100vw" />had a separate initial <img alt="" src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/xb/k9lr1y7azjop.png" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/5019405/uploads/editor/xb/k9lr1y7azjop.png 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/5019405/uploads/editor/xb/k9lr1y7azjop.png 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/5019405/uploads/editor/xb/k9lr1y7azjop.png 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/5019405/uploads/editor/xb/k9lr1y7azjop.png 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/5019405/uploads/editor/xb/k9lr1y7azjop.png 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/5019405/uploads/editor/xb/k9lr1y7azjop.png 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/xb/k9lr1y7azjop.png" sizes="100vw" />and final form <img alt="" src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/0w/pi0c0hayi4ui.png" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/5019405/uploads/editor/0w/pi0c0hayi4ui.png 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/5019405/uploads/editor/0w/pi0c0hayi4ui.png 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/5019405/uploads/editor/0w/pi0c0hayi4ui.png 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/5019405/uploads/editor/0w/pi0c0hayi4ui.png 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/5019405/uploads/editor/0w/pi0c0hayi4ui.png 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/5019405/uploads/editor/0w/pi0c0hayi4ui.png 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/0w/pi0c0hayi4ui.png" sizes="100vw" />.</span></p><p>I have deliberately not included western punctuation like comma, semicolon, etc as they were introduced for Bengali text only in 1855 by Iswarchandra Vidyasagar.</p><p>I do not know where this typeface will be useful. I hope it will stimulate newer designs in Bengali typographic scenario, which is  boringly dominated by descendants and copies of a single typeface for almost 50 years.</p><p> </p><p><br /></p>]]>
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        <description><![CDATA[Hello,<br />I got sent a number of images from the Movie "The hunt for Red October" with the duty to identify them. I think I was almost able, but the CIA font and the font of the title presented some trouble for me. I would love some help!<br /><img alt="" src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/yr/fq9k4a5bn4bh.png" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/5019405/uploads/editor/yr/fq9k4a5bn4bh.png 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/5019405/uploads/editor/yr/fq9k4a5bn4bh.png 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/5019405/uploads/editor/yr/fq9k4a5bn4bh.png 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/5019405/uploads/editor/yr/fq9k4a5bn4bh.png 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/5019405/uploads/editor/yr/fq9k4a5bn4bh.png 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/5019405/uploads/editor/yr/fq9k4a5bn4bh.png 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/yr/fq9k4a5bn4bh.png" sizes="100vw" /><br /><img alt="" src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/26/vkiaaqnx5k4b.png" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/5019405/uploads/editor/26/vkiaaqnx5k4b.png 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/5019405/uploads/editor/26/vkiaaqnx5k4b.png 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/5019405/uploads/editor/26/vkiaaqnx5k4b.png 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/5019405/uploads/editor/26/vkiaaqnx5k4b.png 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/5019405/uploads/editor/26/vkiaaqnx5k4b.png 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/5019405/uploads/editor/26/vkiaaqnx5k4b.png 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/26/vkiaaqnx5k4b.png" sizes="100vw" /><img alt="" src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/a6/z299gmq67y47.png" title="Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/a6/z299gmq67y47.png" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/5019405/uploads/editor/a6/z299gmq67y47.png 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/5019405/uploads/editor/a6/z299gmq67y47.png 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/5019405/uploads/editor/a6/z299gmq67y47.png 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/5019405/uploads/editor/a6/z299gmq67y47.png 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/5019405/uploads/editor/a6/z299gmq67y47.png 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/5019405/uploads/editor/a6/z299gmq67y47.png 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/a6/z299gmq67y47.png" sizes="100vw" /><img alt="" src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/n0/if3hgiqqgnvx.png" title="Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/n0/if3hgiqqgnvx.png" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/5019405/uploads/editor/n0/if3hgiqqgnvx.png 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/5019405/uploads/editor/n0/if3hgiqqgnvx.png 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/5019405/uploads/editor/n0/if3hgiqqgnvx.png 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/5019405/uploads/editor/n0/if3hgiqqgnvx.png 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/5019405/uploads/editor/n0/if3hgiqqgnvx.png 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/5019405/uploads/editor/n0/if3hgiqqgnvx.png 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/n0/if3hgiqqgnvx.png" sizes="100vw" /><br />- The "Cold this morning..." appears to be Newtext.<br />- The font used in the sea battle seems to be some version of Bookman, but I can't tell which one exactly.<br />- The font used for the title seems to be a modification of Monoblock, or rather it was the other way about - it was custom made to "appear Soviet" and the design spawned a variety of fonts.<br />The CIA font I have seen it or something similar in many movies, but I have no clue what it is.<br /><br />As I am more of a font designer than a font "detective", I don't know the proper procedures to process such requests from clients. Are type designers also expected to be professional type historians? Not where I'm at. Is there a specialized place on the web, or a bureau that can help me with similar future requests by clients? Or does one simply post the materials on general type boards and the like and wait for proper response? Currently I'm using WhatTheFont.]]>
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        <title>On behalf of a historian: typefaces related to Lincoln assassination</title>
        <link>https://typedrawers.com/discussion/5217/on-behalf-of-a-historian-typefaces-related-to-lincoln-assassination</link>
        <pubDate>Tue, 10 Dec 2024 00:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Type History</category>
        <dc:creator>Nadine Chahine</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[Hello all,<br />A well-respected author and historian has requested support in finding out more info about the following. Can anyone please help? I'm sending him a link to this thread. Here is the request:<br /><br /><p>The most famous theater playbill in American history is for “Our American Cousin,” to be performed at Ford’s Theatre in Washington, D.C. on April 14, 1865.  We know that Lincoln was assassinated during the third act of the play.<span> </span></p><p></p><p>The playbill (link attached to a fine copy at the Huntington Library in California) shows a variety of fonts.<span> </span></p><p></p><p>Although there has been considerable writing about the different versions of the playbill, no one has said anything about the different fonts used in the bill.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><span>Is anyone able to provide any information about them?</span><span> </span></p><p></p><p>Thanks</p><p></p><p><a rel="nofollow" href="https://typedrawers.com/home/leaving?allowTrusted=1&amp;target=https%3A%2F%2Fhdl.huntington.org%2Fdigital%2Fcollection%2Fp16003coll6%2Fid%2F5034%2F" title="Link: https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll6/id/5034/">https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll6/id/5034/</a></p>]]>
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        <title>Looking for specimen with crossword puzzles</title>
        <link>https://typedrawers.com/discussion/5222/looking-for-specimen-with-crossword-puzzles</link>
        <pubDate>Fri, 13 Dec 2024 16:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Khai Quang Nguyen</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[Hi everyone, <br /><br />I'm looking for type specimens that have crossword puzzles like this one example I found in Vu journal. It's a grotesque san-serif, having quite a distinct style. It's likely not letterings since the forms are quite consistent. But I'm still not sure if these comes from metal types. <br /><br /><img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/5d/qwytbau4min1.png" alt="" title="Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/5d/qwytbau4min1.png" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/5019405/uploads/editor/5d/qwytbau4min1.png 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/5019405/uploads/editor/5d/qwytbau4min1.png 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/5019405/uploads/editor/5d/qwytbau4min1.png 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/5019405/uploads/editor/5d/qwytbau4min1.png 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/5019405/uploads/editor/5d/qwytbau4min1.png 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/5019405/uploads/editor/5d/qwytbau4min1.png 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/5019405/uploads/editor/5d/qwytbau4min1.png" sizes="100vw" /><br /><br />About the source: Vu is a French journal around the middle of 20th century (1928-1940) so the specimens could be around the same period or before, highly possibly coming from a French type foundry like Deberny &amp; Peignot.<br /><br />I wonder if anyone already stumble upon specimen with letters like this. Could be any source from around the world. Not even type specimens. Just things you see the resemblance are nice to examine too.<br /><br />Thank you all!]]>
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        <title>What are the most-viewed fonts in the world?</title>
        <link>https://typedrawers.com/discussion/5143/what-are-the-most-viewed-fonts-in-the-world</link>
        <pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2024 16:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>elliott</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[What fonts get the most eyeballs, daily, in 2024? Obviously it's impossible to answer this question conclusively, but surely we can make an educated guess based on the popularity of certain technologies/platforms used for setting type (for screen, print, or something else).<br /><br />Within the bounds of Latin fonts (I'm not familiar enough with other scripts, but I'd love to hear from people who are), here are a few that I imagine must be "up there" in terms of daily views:<br /><br />Helvetica<br />Arial<br />Univers<br />Times<br />Gill Sans<br />SF Pro<br />Roboto<br />Georgia<br />Verdana<br /><br />What do you think?]]>
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