one thing I did not mention in my last post. Worse than no hinting, is bad autohinting. The samples shown here, I collected, all equate to a horror show of bad autohinting. fonts with quality like this often end up on live websites, so the designers must not look at lower res screens, or they are very bad designers. in each case of the examples shown here, it would be better, if there is no budget or no desire, to hint fonts, to render the fonts un-hinted, and set the GASP table to always use y-smoothing, and no hinting. Believe me the irony of the BBC site on the beauty of the Book of Kells was not lost on me.